001 THE DULCE BASE - Enter the Tall Whites

Picking up where Timothy Green Beckley left off, the henchmen dig into the Dulce Base, the alleged underground facility where government secrets and alien laboratories are said to operate beneath New Mexico. They break down the infamous seven levels and the story of the “Dulce War”.

The book: Dulce Warriors by By Timothy Green Beckley Sean Casteel  & Tim Swartz is available at conspiracyjournal.com and amazon.com 

Transcript

Reggie 0:10

This is the Conspiracy Journal Podcast. The transmission starts now.

Michelle 0:20

Welcome to the Conspiracy Journal Podcast. My name is Michelle. My great uncle, Timothy Green Beckley, started the Conspiracy Journal decades ago, and it always lived in print. His mission was to bring information to people who were seeking. Whether that be conspiracies or government cover-ups or cryptids or UFOs, aliens, he wrote about it and wanted people to have a place to find out. Unfortunately, he passed away in 2021, but I have since taken over. And part of the new era of the Conspiracy Journal is this podcast. So welcome. Again, my name is Michelle, and I'm here with my friends Greg.

Greg 0:59

Hey!

Michelle 1:00

And Bobby.

Bobby 1:01

Bye. Bobby.

Michelle 1:03

For episode one, we're starting where Timothy Green Beckley left off with the Dulce Warriors. So welcome to the Conspiracy Journal podcast. The transmission starts now. First of all.

Greg 1:17

Is it Dulcey?

Michelle 1:18

We don't know how to pronounce it. Dulce. That's the very Dulce. Dulce. Dolce. Dulce. Who knows? Somebody knows.

Bobby 1:29

The warriors know.

Michelle 1:30

Don't tell me. I don't know.

Greg 1:33

There was a guy in a video I watched who was doing an interview about essentially everything that we're going to talk about today, but he was saying Dulce.

Bobby 1:41

And he did a way worse job than we're going to do. Yeah.

Greg 1:44

He apparently worked there, but who knows? It doesn't really matter if you work there or not. If you're just going to say it wrong, you're going to say it wrong.

Bobby 1:52

Wait, how did he say it?

Greg 1:53

Dulce. Dulcey.

Michelle 1:54

Dulce. That's what I was saying.

Bobby 1:58

Dulcey. It's a it's a Spanish word. I feel like that's how white people say it.

Michelle 2:03

Got it, got it. And how do the Spanish people say it?

Bobby 2:06

Taco. Dulce.

Michelle 2:07

Dulce.

Bobby 2:08

Dulce.

Michelle 2:08

Okay. What's Dolce?

Bobby 2:10

And cabana?

Michelle 2:12

Okay. I want to say Dulce.

Bobby 2:14

And I'm going to say it. Dolce?

Michelle 2:16

Dulce.

Bobby 2:18

The good old Dolce. The Dulce. Dolce Wars.

Michelle 2:21

Dulch. That's how the cool kids say it. Dulce.

Bobby 2:24

Oh, so Dolch.

Michelle 2:25

Dulce. Alright, here we go. Number one, we don't know how to say it. Number two, what is it even, right? What are we even talking about? It's a base. I want to call it a military base or an Air Force base, but it's not. It's just a base. It's complicated. It's so complicated that we can't even give it a name other than base. So it's multi-level. It's all underground. And the headline is it is a base where the government, which is our government, but possibly other world government, other countries, maybe like one new world order government. We don't know. Global cabal. Like them. The they it's them. It's them. We figured out who they are. It's it's and aliens. So them and aliens are who are in this base.

Bobby 3:22

Sure. In in like regular military world, there's like an army air force base, they call it a joint base. So this is like a joint base. Joint base. The aliens and the illuminati?

Michelle 3:30

No, the aliens and them.

Bobby 3:32

Okay.

Michelle 3:33

The Illuminati is different.

Bobby 3:35

Um they're definitely part of them.

Michelle 3:37

Oh, definitely. Oh, of course. But like also them.

Bobby 3:40

Sure.

Michelle 3:41

Okay. What do we do at the Dalt J Base? Research. We do research and we use alien technology. Mostly. The vibe that I caught from all of the things I read is mostly it's like us being humans. Who who cares what country we're affiliated with, with us as humans, are in this kind of like deal with aliens that are like, you can definitely do research on us if you pay us with technology secrets and information. And they were like, cool, let's do it. So we built a base. Let's sidebar for a second and talk about why we built it where we built it. So Dulce, Dolce, whatever. It's a desert area. And it is full of natural caves, caverns, tunnels that are there already. But we also just like love this area. This is the Los Alamos area, you know, Manhattan Project. I feel like Oppenheimer probably went out there and was like, this is this area is lit. Let's do it right here. Cause nobody sees it. Nobody gives a shit. Except probably the Apache.

Greg 4:55

Like, oh yeah, now we're gonna set off all of our bombs here, just a heads up. Yeah, we're gonna ruin this land forever. Forever.

Michelle 5:02

Yeah. And you guys should you probably shouldn't go there. Yeah. Ever. Yeah. Um, also, maybe that is part of the disinformation that will get people from staying away from that area so that they never find the Dulce base. Just saying.

Bobby 5:15

Good call.

Michelle 5:16

So anyway, um, yeah, we destroy the land and then oh, okay. So part of when the people, us, not just like hum, not just humans, not you know, uh us people who are joint space committee? No, uh, the public.

Bobby 5:33

Okay, okay.

Michelle 5:34

When the public starts to hear about the Dulce base and this area and UFOs and paranormal stuff happening, it all kind of starts. I mean, technically it starts in the 70s, but there's like a real lot of interest in the 80s and the 90s because there's like hella cattle mutilation. Like, dude, the nice you guys, it's so savage. So, like when I think about UFOs, I'm like, yeah, sure. We all know like that image of a cow being beamed up into a spaceship. Like, sure, yeah, I've remember cattle mutilation from when I was a kid. It was on the news. Totally. When you look up the photos of cattle mutilation and you start watching old news reels of people, you know, ranchers being like, look what happened to my cow, it's savage, you guys.

Greg 6:25

Yeah, it'll be like uh like 20 or 30, like whole like uh what is that called? Like when it's a group of them, head of cattle, a head of cattle? 20 or 30 head of cattle. Is that what it is? It's a herd. A herd. I think that was the word I'm looking for. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, it'll just be like them like all out in a field and they're like essentially turned inside out. Yeah, it's it's crazy.

Michelle 6:45

Yeah, bro. There was one guy. Listen, I don't know if this is true, but there was that's a good way to start this.

Bobby 6:53

Yeah, this is also the first thing that has come up that might not be true. So let's just throw that out there. So everything else is solid, rock solid.

Michelle 7:02

This guy, though, he was like, The but okay, he found a dead one of his dead cows, right? The dead cow's head's all fucked up. He's like clearly dead. I don't know why this guy decided to do his own autopsy on his own cow, but he does. Guess what he finds inside the cow?

Bobby 7:20

Money.

Michelle 7:20

Human fetus. Oh, oh yeah, dude. You heard me? Yeah. Baby. Human baby inside the cow.

Bobby 7:29

Up until then, I was still picturing the cow mute cattle mutilation through the lens of Gary Larson Farside cartoons for some reason. But uh, but the human baby inside really brought me back to reality of where we're at and what's going on. Uh that's dark.

Michelle 7:43

It's dark, dude. It's dark. Whose baby is that?

Bobby 7:46

Kid, do you have any do you have any more information on this?

Michelle 7:51

Here's the thing. If I start this story, it sends you down so many goddamn rabbit holes. I started going down catam, cattle mutilation rabbit hole. I ended at baby, and I had to reel myself back in.

Greg 8:02

Sure, sure. Yeah, that's a good stopping point for that point when there's when there's babies inside the cows.

Bobby 8:07

Like Do we know the farmer's name?

Michelle 8:10

No. Okay. But if you want, Google it, I'm sure you can find it.

Bobby 8:14

Yeah. Okay.

Michelle 8:16

Okay. There was also a local police officer who was he was on the case. He was like, These cattle mutilations are fucked. He gets his son, his brother-in-law, his this guy, that guy, he creates like a fucking super trooper team. Posse. A posse to start. He's the West. So he's like, Oh, we're investigating this shit, you know? And it's not really legit because the everyone with any type of power, like the other cops, the government, anybody around this area at the time were like, you're nuts, cows die. Get out of here, Gabe. And Gabe was like, nah, dude. And so you can go on the internet and you can find a lot of videos of him and his posse basically breaking in and trespassing in certain areas, looking for entrances to the Dulce base.

Bobby 9:17

Yeah, regulators mount up.

Michelle 9:18

Word.

Bobby 9:19

Regulators.

Michelle 9:21

So they fucking go up there. They do all kinds of scouting. They do say they see a lot of lights. They do say they see some openings. Caves. Entrances. We don't know. Basically, they come down from the mountain and we still don't know.

Bobby 9:38

Yeah. But they they saw some stuff. They saw some some they didn't they didn't come down from the mountain. We were more like, we were wrong. They came down from the mountain. Oh, hell no. There up to some shit up there.

Michelle 9:49

They doubled down. They came down, they double downed. They were like, there's definitely some shit afoot, but we can't prove any of it. And we were like, cool. Sounds great. Also, so that was Gabe Valdez. His son, Greg Valdez, wrote a book, Dulce Base, The Truth and Evidence of the Case Files of Gabe Valdez. If you want, give that a read. There's also a dude named Norio Hayakawa. Probably saying that wrong. So sorry. No way. But he has written many articles and done like interviews and on the radio, TV. He did like a fucking press tour about this area. And one of the things, one of the facts that he states that I really like is that Dulce has the highest percentage per population of UFO sightings. This is a fact. Almost the entire town of Dulce, which has a population of about 2,600 now, almost the entire population has experienced a sighting of strange objects in the past 30 years. This is the highest percentage of any community in the United States. End quote.

Greg 11:09

And it was kind of like uh what happens with everyone's accounts of um like Area 51 or at least that area of the desert where like people would uh essentially take like day trips out and like wait for nightfall, and then you would see like all of these like experimental aircrafts, quote unquote.

Michelle 11:26

Right, yeah.

Greg 11:27

And uh and it was like without fail, like you could go out there and see it all, and then yeah, like it just makes sense that if there was something going on, like that would be the place. Oh, no one's around there, like yeah, totally.

Bobby 11:41

This also attracts with I think maybe episode three of the seminal television program X-Files, yeah. Uh, where they have a situation going on like this, working in conjunction with some alien technology at an Air Force Base and I think Idaho it was. They were always running these patterns, running these drills, testing stuff out. So that tracks that if you're doing something like that on a regular basis, that the people in the the adjacent area, as it's in that town on the show, they would see a lot of stuff. You know, you're gonna see a lot more things if they're up to something like that at this place.

Michelle 12:09

I have to say that I um thought about that episode a lot while I was researching this. I believe that episode is also guest starring Seth Green.

Bobby 12:18

True. Yeah, absolutely correct.

Michelle 12:20

Yeah. So anyway, you're welcome.

Bobby 12:22

Excellent performance by Seth Green in that.

Michelle 12:24

Oh, so excellent. I mean, I believed him for sure.

Bobby 12:27

Seth hit us up in the comments.

Michelle 12:29

That's right. Um, friend of the pot. He doesn't know, he just doesn't know it yet. He doesn't know it yet.

Greg 12:35

Definitely friend of the pot, though. He's gonna love this show, though. He is for sure. Shout out to Seth Green.

Michelle 12:41

Um, okay, so around the time of the cat immutilations, people, natives, locals, whatever, start seeing lots of government trucks rolling in, tanks, all kinds of fucking huge, heavy equipment, crazy shit. And also a logging company starts rolling in all kinds of big trucks and big machinery. And like, all right, so the desert does have trees, and like there are mountains, and parts of them are fucking loaded with trees, but like I was looking around and there's not a lot of logging land in this area, so we think that that was a front, and also I think the truck said something like John Smith's logging company or some shit like that on it, which is like come up with a better name, guys. Anyhow, we think that that was not logging machinery, we think that it was nuclear tunnel boring machinery, also known as subterrens. Okay, you guys. These machines are awesome. We do have something like this already, which is what we use to like bore through tunnels to make subways and like you know, you know, tunnels that we drive through and whatnot. We've all seen a tunnel, we've been in one.

Greg 13:58

Yeah, it's what they used in uh diehard diehard three when they're like boring into the stock exchange or whatever it was that they were doing.

Michelle 14:07

You know what? Underrated movie. A lot of really cool New York stuff. And that also I think about the machine in the labyrinth where he's like going through the tunnel and he's got the the little guy is like uh doing a bicycle wheel, the big crazy thing that's gonna kill her. Anyway, whatever.

Bobby 14:22

There was one of these machines, just a side note from my life that I'm aware of, that like broke down digging a tunnel under Seattle, and it was down there for like 12 years. Like something like something insane like that. Maybe five, but like a long time. But I think it was honestly closer to twelve um before they like got it fixed, and they're like, we're done with the tunnel now. But they just like it broke and they're like we we can't fix it.

Greg 14:43

I think it was uh we can't fix it. Oceans 13 too. They were trying to do that to like dig a tunnel under a casino or something. I forget yeah.

Bobby 14:51

This is also, I mean, what the super what the hyperloop?

Greg 14:54

This is the yeah, and like uh the boring company with uh like new ons thing. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Bobby 14:59

The massive failure of the hyperloop.

Michelle 15:01

Yeah, yeah. Which is probably because he didn't pay for this alien technology, and that's probably why it sucked.

Bobby 15:08

Or was it a failure or it does it actually exist and we're just not allowed?

Michelle 15:13

It's probably that.

Bobby 15:14

Because we're poor.

Michelle 15:15

It's probably that. Yeah. Yeah, right. If we if you were rich, you would understand.

Greg 15:19

Yeah. I mean, there are tunnels under LA that the hyper wealthy use to get around this.

Michelle 15:24

But there's tunnels under New York that have there's tunnels everywhere. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Actually, you know what? I'm glad you bring this up. Because okay, first of all, the subterrene machine is fucking awesome. Whatever machines you guys were just talking about that we can like wrap our little human minds around, this one is better and it can melt rock.

Bobby 15:42

Is it better because it's alien technology?

Michelle 15:43

Yeah, yes, 100%.

Bobby 15:45

Makes sense.

Michelle 15:46

It melts rock into glass-like tunnels, and it does it super fucking fast. So fast we can't even comprehend. You know, this machine just like bores through the earth and makes these fucking perfect, pristine glass melty tunnels everywhere.

Greg 16:01

Cool. So what you're saying is Jewish space lasers on earth.

Michelle 16:06

Uh that's not what I said. I said alien melting machine. So Okay. Okay. So anyway, then in those tunnels, we're able to get around super fucking fast. Also, alien technology trains that work with magnets and other shit. Oh, back to why we love this area where uh all of this is happening is because it's on um the continental divide. I don't really know what that means, but I do know that it means that this area has a lot of minerals and metals and all kinds of shit that the aliens love to use and make trains and shit that can go like mock speeds. You guys know about that because you're boys.

Bobby 16:56

You know, mock speed.

Michelle 16:57

Mach speeds, you know, mock one. Mach one, two, three. Mach. I think these trains do mock one, but like maybe more or less. I don't know if the numbers are higher or is better. I don't know. But whichever one's the fast one, that's the one we have.

Bobby 17:10

The continental divide, one thing that I love about it is that everything west of the continental divide, all the rivers drain to the Pacific Ocean, and east of the Continental Divide, they all drain to the Atlantic Ocean and the Gulf of Mexico.

Michelle 17:21

Uh, Gulf of America.

Bobby 17:23

Oh Scott, I'm so sorry. Don, hit us up in the comments.

Michelle 17:26

Yeah, sorry about that. Anyway, anyway. Okay. So we have these fucking super awesome tunnels, right? They say that they go 14 miles deep in this area. But there is also talk that like they could connect to our homies over at Area 51, which is like believable. Not that far away, right? Could go up to like Seattle and all over the West Coast. Also, could connect to the East Coast and do some DC shit, some Pentagon shit. All of this, we can travel super fast with our magnet trains. Boom. I could be in Area 51 and back to DC minutes, maybe less, because we're going mock speed. This is where it gets complicated.

Bobby 18:16

So very straightforward up to this point.

Michelle 18:18

This is where it gets like super fucked up. So there is possibly okay. Remember when I was talking about the rabbit holes and how I went on a fucking side quest into cattle mutilation? Well, you can also do a side quest into tunnel digging, and you could end up in project paperclip, which is where we decided to take some fucking Nazi diabolical fucking scientists and be like, hey, war criminals, you're super in trouble. But the shit that you're researching and know about is like pretty dope. So like you come over here and you tell us all about how to bore tunnels. And apparently they were like making a bunch of tunnels so that they could escape if they lost the war or whatever. So, like, long story short, these tunnels down in Dulce may also connect to other continents and go underneath the ocean and connect literally the entire world and also maybe end up over in Antarctica, where there is a super fucking party tunnel going on over there called the Rainbow Room or some shit. Um, Rainbow City, sorry, um, which is apparently the capital of the underground. So this is what I'm talking about with side quests.

Bobby 19:39

Yeah, we're in the capital of the underground Antarctica from the high desert in Los Alamos, real real quick.

Michelle 19:45

Real quick, mock speed. Mock speed to that. We fucking zip right over to the rainbow room.

Bobby 19:49

Over there, dude. Yeah.

Michelle 19:50

Fuck yeah, dude. That's what I'm talking about. So listen.

Bobby 19:55

Just we want everybody to know that that's over there and now we're back. Or are we over there for a little while?

Michelle 20:02

Well, I just want to mention there was one place that I really kind of liked, which was like maybe these tunnels also go to Canada on your way to the rainbow room. There's this rainbow city. Rainbow City. Yeah. Sorry. Although I do like rainbow rooms.

Bobby 20:15

That's the scenic route.

Michelle 20:16

Yeah, if you take the scenic route and you stop through Canada. Yeah, I shouldn't. There's this area over there. Um that the natives, okay, so very much like Dulce Dulce, the natives are like, yeah, you guys, there's fucking bases and fucking aliens coming out of the ground all the time over here, and we just like know that, so we don't go over there. And in Canada, they're like, same, bro, same, except everybody who goes over there loses their head and comes back headless. So I just like liked that.

Bobby 20:48

That's a great deterrent.

Michelle 20:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, totally. You know who goes? Fucking white people and like camera crews. But the natives are like, nah, dude, you're gonna lose your head.

Bobby 20:59

I also like the idea that they lose their head but do come back.

Michelle 21:02

Yeah, totally. They gotta tell everybody, don't go over there, you're gonna lose your head, you know? Okay, just digest that for a minute. And so now we're back at Dulce. We've got we're we're ground level, we have entrances all the fuck over.

Bobby 21:18

Is this whole thing secret? You know, you can like see Area 51 on Google Maps, you know, you trace the routes and stuff. And this is just it sounds fun to me, is all of the Dulce-based secret cave entrances.

Michelle 21:30

Yeah, so that's what you yeah.

Bobby 21:32

I just wanted to get my yeah, everything uh everything Dulce is like underground.

Greg 21:35

Okay, cool, cool, cool.

Michelle 21:37

Yes, so okay, right now, picture it, visualize it with your mind. We are ground level. We're humans standing on top of the earth, and we see desert, right? It's not just flat, you know, it's like uh hilly, hilly desert, shrubs. Sure. Um, and so this area is like basically everywhere you look, if you stand still and just turn. Turn yourself, you know, 360 degrees. You will on the way watch. Sorry, we're laughing because I was doing a little dance. Um, you will see little holes everywhere, little caves, little entrances everywhere. And it is said that you can literally pick any of these and you will find your way down into the Dulce base. But there needs to be fucking somewhere that a car and these machines and like whatnot can get to, right? So anywhere you see like a big hole on Google Maps, that's an entrance. So go on Google Maps, look around, find yourself an entrance, and then you're in.

Bobby 22:38

I'm at I'm gonna go.

Michelle 22:40

Okay, I've done it.

Bobby 22:41

Cool.

Michelle 22:41

It's cool. So level one, right? Once you get in, you're in level one. Level one is like the loading dock, right? It's maintenance. There's waste management, there's dumpsters, there's garbage handling, there's apparently some big garbage disposal thing of food waste, but also recycling that then becomes food for some aliens or something. Whatever. Um, so you're let's say you're authorized, you go to level one, you walk in, you enter through the loading dock, and you're like, whatever garbage zone. I'm going to level two. Level two is your garage level. This is where you park your car and you hop on your magnet train and beep bop all around.

Bobby 23:27

So you just like drive your car like your Chevy. Yeah, you fucking work there, dude. You how are you gonna get to work? Pop into the garage, I guess.

Michelle 23:34

You gotta get to work, you bring your car.

Bobby 23:35

These are the things we don't think about.

Michelle 23:37

The practical This is why you hire me to do your research.

Bobby 23:40

I wonder if they have a dope cafeteria, you know.

Michelle 23:42

Actually, that's so the remnants of the cafeteria are up on level fucking one, that garbage recycling area. Bad news, dude. You don't want any of the food out of there. Bring your pack your lunch, bring it with you.

Greg 23:53

Okay, it's literally just a Sabaro and Panda Express.

Bobby 23:59

Just like reconstituted garbage into the the Sparrow Panda Express.

Michelle 24:04

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Exactly.

Bobby 24:06

Is it like a soil and green, maybe?

Michelle 24:08

Is it what?

Bobby 24:09

Soylent green, like human remains turned into food.

Michelle 24:12

Probably. I mean, that's what is being suggested.

Bobby 24:16

Yeah. Okay. Sorry, that was a real left turn by me. Sorry to bring something crazy like that up.

Michelle 24:20

Uh yeah, you should be. Yeah. You should be sorry.

Bobby 24:23

How dare you?

Michelle 24:24

Yeah, I mean, I don't know what you're talking about.

Bobby 24:26

I mean, it's all all these things are so many side quests, you know what I mean? And like that's like we could go on. Okay. We could go on a fucking side screen.

Michelle 24:33

So that everybody knows I'm literally sweating because I have been on so many side quests. I haven't even gotten to level two of the fucking story yet. How many levels? I am there's seven. There's seven levels.

Greg 24:43

Let's keep it uh keep trucking into the the levels. Frenzied.

Michelle 24:47

I'm frenzied. I've been freaking out about this story for.

Greg 24:52

Now we all know why, like when people used to call like Art Bell and they would just be completely manic. I don't understand. Yeah. There's so much information, and I just have to tell you everything.

Michelle 25:00

And it's just like I I know I only have a couple minutes to do all this, but you guys, I think I'm giving myself a fever because there's so much information that I'm leaving out, and we're not even on level three yet. Okay, so level two, we've we've pulled our fucking car in. We are at the garage level, we park our car, we brought our lunch, we're getting on our magnet train and going wherever we want. Level two also houses our tunnel boring machines. Also, maybe some UFO craft maintenance, like maybe some mechanics and like their stockpile of UFO parts or whatnot. There's also security here. So security is pretty tight in this place. You gotta get naked. You gotta get full naked every goddamn day. They weigh you. If there's any more than a three-pound difference, you have to, you're fucking, you're fucked. You're going into a special room.

Greg 25:52

Literally.

Michelle 25:52

Yeah, you're you're getting fucked. Yeah, spread your chinks. Yeah.

Greg 25:56

Or you're fucked.

Michelle 25:58

Totally.

Greg 25:58

Yeah. Um, also how dare they like like fat shame that way?

Michelle 26:02

Yeah, no, you can that's hold on. You can be fat. You just gotta stay the same thing.

Bobby 26:07

You gotta stay fat. You can but you can get fat just no more than three pounds a day. Yeah. You can get fat slowly. Yeah, exactly.

Michelle 26:14

It's the longest.

Bobby 26:15

As bad as you want. You guys, okay.

Michelle 26:17

Yeah.

Greg 26:17

If you're trying to sneak things in and out, like it's just you gotta go low weight, one pound at a time.

Bobby 26:21

You just get in the frame style, dropping that dirt out the paint link.

Michelle 26:25

That's right. Yeah, that's right.

Bobby 26:26

Yep. Alien technology, three pounds at a time. That's right, exactly.

Michelle 26:30

Um okay, so we made it. We're going to level three, you guys. Yeah. Um level three, lamest level in the whole fucking building. I mean, the loading dock is more interesting than level three because it is just government offices. It is the HR level. It's who gives a fuck level.

Bobby 26:52

It's windowless cubicles.

Michelle 26:54

Exactly. Exactly. Fuck level three. Matter of fact, our book, The Dolce Warriors, which can be found on conspiracyjournal.com, that book doesn't even care about level three. Just skips it. Fuck it. Who cares? Okay, moving on. Level four. This is where it starts to get good, you guys. Okay. Listen to the shit that's going on in level four. Mind and consciousness experiments.

Greg 27:20

Nice.

Michelle 27:21

Human aura research.

Greg 27:23

Ooh, aura farming.

Michelle 27:27

I don't know what that means, but I think you're right. Telepathy, hypnosis, dream manipulation, which I have to say is really fucked up. Don't fuck with my don't manipulate my already fucked up dreams, you guys. And then there is something called bioplasmic body, which is an in okay, hold on, hold on. This is extreme, you guys.

Bobby 27:54

So I don't know Level 4 needs to fucking calm down.

Michelle 27:57

No, no, dude. Level four is lit, and that's where I want to live in level four, because they're doing God's work on level four. Okay.

Greg 28:05

Wait till we sound like ungodly work. Yeah. Dream manipulation.

Michelle 28:10

That's the only one that I really don't like. I don't know. Telepathy, hypnosis, mind consciousness, aura. Fuck with my aura. This is uh borderline, but fuck with my dreams, and I'm like, I gotta draw the line there. Yeah, yeah. Okay, sorry. So let me hold on. Let me tell you guys what bioplasmic body research is. Okay, we're gonna insert an alien life force matrix into a human, right? Makes sense, yeah. I'm making um, I'm making like a sphere thing with my hands so that everyone can understand it's a life force matrix, but it's alien, and we're gonna put it into a human after we remove the human's soul life force matrix.

Greg 28:55

Oh, so like they're just like doing a doing a swap.

Michelle 28:57

We're doing a swap. So we're gonna be human body, yeah, alien soul.

Bobby 29:02

Yeah, yeah.

Greg 29:02

That's fucking dark.

Bobby 29:04

Yeah, greatly this just reminds me. I just gotta give it a plug. Vastly underrated movie, Cold Souls, starring Paul Giamatti as as himself, film after Paul Giamatti. Okay. In the in the in the film, he has to do a play and he just like can't quite get the character right. And he sees an ad and they do soul removal and storage. So they take his soul out and then it gets sold on the black market. It's fucking awesome. Check it out. Cold Souls.

Michelle 29:26

Okay. Actually, sounds like a documentary based on level four of the Dulce Base.

Bobby 29:31

Yeah, we already know Christopher Nolan stole the idea for inception from level four. That's right. Classic dream manipulation. Totally. But whoever wrote Cold Souls is in there as well.

Michelle 29:38

Absolutely. Yeah. Um, or maybe they're from there. You know what I mean?

Greg 29:43

Maybe they are one of the alien swapped bodies. That's what I mean. Are they Dolce Warriors?

Michelle 29:49

Everyone's a Dolce Warrior. Everybody. Everybody, including us right now.

Bobby 29:53

Dolce.

Michelle 29:54

God damn it.

Bobby 29:55

Okay. There's like a participation trophy.

Michelle 29:59

Dulce warrior, I thought that's quite special.

Bobby 30:02

Anyways, okay. I'll I'll deal with that on my own.

Michelle 30:05

Yeah. Uh okay. So that's a really good point. They would not hand out a participation trophy, so I'm revoking yours.

Bobby 30:15

I just think that if everyone can be a Dulce Warrior, I don't really want to be a Dulce Warrior. Sure, sure.

Michelle 30:22

Yours is revoked. I get mine because of the the like uh tweaker level uh of uh years uh that I've lost of my life from the research that I've done. You earned this because my mind has broken. Okay, anyway, that was level four. We got really fucked up on level four as a human. It's a bad place for us.

Bobby 30:45

Yeah. What we literally lost our soul. Real quick, what uh what happens when you're a human body with an alien soul? Or do they send you out?

Michelle 30:56

I think you get sent out. If you can live more than like a couple of days, yeah, you know, and you seem to be doing okay, then we send you out.

Bobby 31:02

I feel like I've met some of these motherfuckers.

Michelle 31:04

Oh, fuck yeah, dude. We see them all the time. Just open up your goddamn eyes, they're everywhere. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, for sure.

Bobby 31:09

Okay, so your goddamn eyes.

Michelle 31:13

So all right, level four really fucked us up. We're going to level five. This is where we house all the aliens. I mean, this is like level four was all the humans, right? Getting fucked. Level five. Actually, I just fucking realized just now. One, that I curse a lot, two, that there is no mention of anyone getting fucked.

Greg 31:40

So, you know, probed and all that stuff.

Michelle 31:42

Yeah. So you know what? Whenever we talk about government conspiracies and whatnot, there's a lot of like pedo situations going on, a lot of people getting fucked all the time. Aliens are not trying to fuck us. I know everyone says that they are with their probes and their whatnot, but maybe they're just checking temperatures, you know? No. Anyway, listen, this is how the side quests start. I'm gonna put a pin in that. And I'm gonna come back to level five. So level five is mostly alien occupied. It's where all we house all our aliens in level five. Super strong security, highly restricted area. Only a few people allowed it. I do actually need to go on a side quest. So we need to talk about the different types of aliens real quick because I'm just throwing out the word aliens, but there's different kinds. So there's let's start.

Bobby 32:34

This is often overlooked, underrepresented.

Greg 32:37

Yeah, everyone knows like the typical uh the grays.

Michelle 32:41

But there are like I I challenge that. I think that the common man only knows little green men.

Greg 32:48

Well, yeah, I think and that's usually uh associated with grays.

Michelle 32:52

Yeah, okay. So you know that because you're a goddamn expert. But the people don't know, so let's tell them. Number one, grays. Small, thin bodies, big black eyes, oversized heads.

Greg 33:06

Sexy as hell. Sexy as hell. They have that body that we're all trying to achieve. Yeah, that's right. Everyone for men, it's usually like, oh, I want to look like Brad Pitt and fucking fight club, and it's like, I want to look like a gray. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Michelle 33:18

Yeah. Same for women. I mean, it's exactly the same.

Greg 33:22

Big head, small body, no sexual organs. Yeah. Yeah.

Michelle 33:26

Big eyes. Big sexy eyes. No eyebrows.

Greg 33:30

Yeah, yeah.

Michelle 33:30

Yeah.

Greg 33:31

Okay, so that's great. Small thin lips.

Michelle 33:34

Yeah.

Greg 33:35

Or no lips at all.

Michelle 33:36

And sometimes little cute little nostrils.

Greg 33:38

Ooh. Yeah.

Michelle 33:40

Okay. They are usually gonna need a break. Gross. Um, boys, you dirty. Okay, so um that's we all know what the grays look like. Typical alien. Got it. In the Dulce base, grays are normally your like lab tech guy. That's the guy who's sucking your soul out of your body with some kind of vacuum machine or whatever. Then there's also tall grays, right? Same thing, just super fucking tall, right? Okay. They are at the Dulce base, they are usually higher rank. So maybe like the doctor, you know, like the regular gray is the lab tech, and like the tall gray is like the doctor or like head lead nurse doctor, whatever. Then we go over to the reptilians. Oh yeah. Dude, I'm out on reptilians. I can't deal with reptilians. What a bunch of dickheads. For some reason, this is my line. I can't once graze all day. Tall ones, short ones, whatever. Reptilians.

Greg 34:44

That's a good t-shirt, graze all day.

Michelle 34:47

Um okay, so uh I I don't even know what to say. They're reptilians. They look like dinosaurs, they look like lizards, they look like people who've turned into dinosaur lizard fucks, you know? But one thing that everyone agrees on is that they're aggressive as fuck. And so these are gonna be your military style, like machismo fucktard aliens in the base.

Greg 35:14

So it's like the uh the Goombas from Mario Brothers, the live action movie?

Michelle 35:18

Yes, but probably less fat because we know we're fat shaman.

Greg 35:21

Yeah.

Michelle 35:22

Okay. So um there's also like Jack Lizard. Yeah, jack lizard. I feel like they're gonna be like a little hotter, you know? Like what, you know what?

Bobby 35:33

Sexually or temperature-wise?

Michelle 35:35

I meant sexually, but I'm gonna say temperature.

Bobby 35:37

But they probably have like cold blooded, yeah.

Michelle 35:40

So never mind. Uh cut that out. So anyway. Insectoids are our next next one. And so they look like a big praying mantis. Whatever, that's fine. Fine by me. Um, they are considered the supervisors of the Grays.

Bobby 35:59

Clipboards.

Michelle 36:00

Total clipboard dicks, total clipboard dick. They have because they're a praying mantis, you know, their body is like actually like their upper body torso area is like super skinny and little. So they have like little tiny lab coats and little clipboards, and they're walking around all tall.

Greg 36:17

What funny is I have so many uh like movie references for these specific types of aliens. So for these guys, I'm just thinking Starship Troopers.

Michelle 36:25

Oh, totally.

Greg 36:26

And it's uh, but they're like in a future episode, like I'll I'll explain why I have so many like movie references for these types of things and how they all tie together.

Michelle 36:37

It's all true story. Yeah, and everyone who makes movies has run at the Dol Saber.

Greg 36:41

Yeah, but we can talk about that in the future.

Michelle 36:43

But good to know that we agree. Anyway, the next group of aliens are the human alien hybrids, mixed human grays. Um they are often described as human but off.

Greg 36:59

Men in black. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Michelle 37:02

Yep, yep, yep. We've all we've seen these guys before too. Okay. Then we have Nordics, aka the tall whites. Also, sorry, I did not realize when I wrote that how racist that sounds.

Bobby 37:19

It's also just really funny to describe somebody as he's kind of a tall white. He's one of those tall whites. One of those tall whites, sure. Yeah, we got we we got it.

Michelle 37:27

Okay. Um, well, here's what I wrote. Not always tied to Dulce, but sometimes folded in.

Bobby 37:34

Okay. Sure.

Michelle 37:35

So you're welcome.

Bobby 37:36

Yeah, Scandinavia.

Michelle 37:38

You know what? They took the fucking speed drain over and they got busted in the desert because they stick out, and then they had to go back. All right, the last one is cryptid style creatures. Not necessarily aliens, but there was a homie way back on the side quest when we were interviewing people about the cattle mutilation. There was this one dude who was like, also PS, I saw Bigfoot. And so, like, that sent me on a side quest, extra side quest, double down squared. That was like Bigfoot was actually a mutant thing that was created in the Dulce Base that like broke out and is running around the country.

Bobby 38:19

So Yeah, you're welcome.

Michelle 38:22

Okay, that's uh everything I've got on our aliens, and so now that's level five. Level five houses all those guys. Uh-huh. And we're going back to Dulce Base. We're gonna enter level six. Okay, you guys buckle the fuck up because level six.

Greg 38:40

I already thought like level four was gonna be the buckle up stage.

Michelle 38:43

No, level four was like a really boring level. Three three is fucking we don't even talk about three so lame. Yeah, okay. Level six is nicknamed Nightmare Hall.

Bobby 38:56

Ooh.

Greg 38:57

Hell yeah. Cabin in the woods. I was already thinking about that, about like the different types of beings all in here, and then like an office space as well.

Michelle 39:06

So yeah, yeah. All right, so level four, we were doing these like mild experiments on people and taking their souls out, but it was all like lab run and it was like chill music, everybody was okay.

Greg 39:19

Yeah, very chill. Yeah, stealing my soul.

Michelle 39:22

Yeah, but like I mean, it's instrumental and it's like a fucking ambient, ambient low body.

Greg 39:28

Just fun new age stuff. Yeah, probably a lot of Enya.

Michelle 39:31

Yes, fucking Enya is playing all day. Um, also all the humans whose dreams are being mutilated.

Greg 39:40

That's what I think of when I think of Enya. It's dreams dream mutilation. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. That's our third album. Incredible. Incredible. The vocals. You you would think it was like a black metal band called Dream Mutilation, but it's Enya.

Michelle 39:55

Yeah. Um, all right. So we got we we have the vibe of level four, right? Level five is just where all these different aliens live, right? So like maybe it gets a little rowdy sometimes, but like mostly it's just like whatever they go there to sleep, you know. Maybe there's like a bar, but like otherwise it's just, I don't know, cots or whatever they sleep on. Maybe they sleep standing up, pods, whatever. It doesn't matter. Level six, though, is where the real shit happens. This is where the the experiments are like uh just they're described as a horror show. There are row after row of thousands of humans and human mixtures, whatever that means to you, in cold storage. So it's just freezers of dead people everywhere for as far as the eye can see. There's embryo storage vats with humanoids in different stages of development. Also goes on for as far as the eye can see. I mean, we're talking, we're talking millions of people.

Bobby 40:59

Lots of trial, lots of error.

Michelle 41:01

Yeah, that's right, that's right. Um, then we also have the humans that are alive and not frozen and not embryos, and they are being held in cages. They are often uh described as drugged or dazed, right? We've all seen them out in front of the Port Authority. We know exactly what these guys look like. Um they also everybody speaks English at the Dulce base. Yeah, and they're often just asking for help. Just help me, has been said a lot.

Bobby 41:37

Is this where like I really feel like um the creature from a racer head is like from this zone? Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Michelle 41:46

Um okay, so I actually alright. I'm getting my levels confused. So level six is the nightmare hall, level seven is the horror show with the cold storage. Okay, gotcha. So I skipped over Nightmare Hall.

Bobby 42:08

Yeah.

Michelle 42:08

Unbelievable.

Bobby 42:09

This is where or this is where we're doing the work and then we store them on level seven.

Michelle 42:13

Yeah, that's right, that's right. My bad. I got really excited. I'm a little frazzled and freaked out. So just bear with me, everybody. We're going back to level six. Nightmare hall. Okay. So genetic experiment labs are on level six. And so this is where everybody that spoiler alert that we found out about living in level seven, this is where we create them. We've got cross cross species embryo implantations happening. We're creating human animal hybrids, we're commute, we're making human alien hybrids, we're making all kinds of human experiments. This is also um my favorite place because this is where bat-like humanoids were created. Cool. So bat boy's real.

Bobby 43:04

Yeah, fuck yeah.

Michelle 43:05

Bat boy of our childhood is real. He came from level six of Dulce Base.

Bobby 43:10

The local paper of the Dulce Base was the Weekly World News. That's right.

Michelle 43:14

That's right. Actually, probably came out of fucking boring ass level three.

Bobby 43:18

Yeah, yeah. So they're doing the newsletter in level three for real.

Michelle 43:22

Totally. Um, okay, so then for whatever reason, I feel a little less excited about level six now because I really hopped over to level seven. But we have all the labs are there. We're making all these fucked up humanoids. Um, also bat boys, apparently seven feet tall, like that. There's a half human, half octopus. There's furry creatures.

Bobby 43:45

There's how many legs does the half human, half octopus have?

Michelle 43:48

Eight. Duh. Come on, it's an octopus.

Bobby 43:50

So the top is just a top human with eight legs.

Michelle 43:52

You know what I have to say? It says half human, half octopus. I envisioned it as human on the top, octopus on the bottom, but like maybe it's a fucking Huge ass octopus head.

Bobby 44:01

Yeah, with two legs.

Michelle 44:02

But you know what? Octopi are actually pretty small. Except the giant squids. Look, I don't know. I didn't see that one. I can't speak to that one.

Greg 44:11

I'm just imagining like a baby, like a giant baby head with like a like a squid bottom underneath of it.

Michelle 44:18

Sick. I love it.

Greg 44:19

That's it. Yeah, that's it.

Michelle 44:19

I think that was in Toy Story. Probably. Yeah. Maybe it's a spider bottom, but whatever. Spider bottom boys. All right. Anyway, level six, Nightmare Hall. We make all the bad things happen there. And then we go to level seven horror show. That's where we store all the trial and error that you were talking about earlier. Gets stored at level seven. It's also really um hard to wrap my head around as far as the eye can see all of these failed humanoid experiments. Just I mean, that's a lot of storage, you guys. That's bigger than a Costco.

Bobby 44:59

My eyes can see really far.

Michelle 45:01

My eyes can see pretty far. I put my glasses on, I can see even further. Yeah. Okay, anyway. Um, so then we have all the humans in the cages. Yeah. Help me. Right. It is said that level seven is what sparked the Dolce Wars. Dulce. Whatever.

Bobby 45:20

I'm listening.

Michelle 45:21

Because regular ass people, someone with a soul left in their body.

Bobby 45:26

Alien or human soul.

Michelle 45:29

I believe my heart says I have nothing to back this up, but my heart, a human person with a human soul. Okay, okay, accidentally made it down to level seven, or like got authorized, but like ended up down there and saw all this cold storage horror show and was like, no. Bat boy on level six was his line.

Bobby 45:52

I was gonna say, yeah, it's it's it does track the present day that it would take him to get to level seven to actually become upset. Yeah, yeah, totally. Everything was fine to that point. Yeah.

Michelle 46:04

That's how I feel in my heart.

Bobby 46:06

It also it just like I can't help but like think of human octopus creature, like that's enough, you know. And like you said, they're like, help me that. Yeah, yeah. But then they're also mutilating their dreams, yeah, you know, yeah, yeah. And that's like we're getting into a real real dark territory.

Michelle 46:21

That's what I'm saying, man. It's the dream mutilation is really so this hero down there.

Bobby 46:27

This human with a human soul.

Michelle 46:29

Right. And also, I just made him up just now. Sure.

Bobby 46:32

You know, so like this is more of a like it's like a Christ-like figure that you made up to make ourselves feel better about the whole situation.

Michelle 46:39

It's because all of this alien shit, our human minds can't understand it. So I need to make sense of it.

Greg 46:44

So I made this human-like person to be the the you know uh the onset hero, like you said, or just you know, maybe it could have been even like uh since they were doing all the experiments on telepathy, they they taught some of these how to do this, and then even down in level seven, where some of them are still alive, they're actually just like communicating and like starting a revolution, and like they wanted to like we have to get out of here type thing.

Bobby 47:12

Yeah, maybe they were doing some astro projection and they communicated with somebody to come liberate them.

Michelle 47:18

Side quest on astro projection. You can astro project into the Dulce base.

Bobby 47:23

Yeah, yeah.

Michelle 47:23

Don't recommend it because you're not gonna leave the same.

Bobby 47:26

You might you might end up on level six or five. You might be trapped. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's hard, it's hard to control which floor you end up on. Yeah. Astro projecting.

Michelle 47:34

This is like three nights ago, fucking 3 a.m. I was on a side quest and I had to go to sleep. I had to stop this. Researching the Dulce base broke me. All right. I just want to tell everybody again that I'm fucked up. Okay. So that's all the that's all the levels, you guys. We got seven levels of hell.

Bobby 47:54

Hold on. What happened when this person went down there to level seven? You just made him up and nothing happened?

Greg 47:59

Yeah.

Bobby 48:00

Okay. This went down there and then.

Greg 48:02

He's just down there unlocking not okay. He's unlocking cages and being like, you're free. Yeah, yeah.

Michelle 48:08

No, okay.

Bobby 48:08

And he was immediately killed by some fucking crazy creature. Yeah. His head clean off immediately. Yeah. No good deed goes unpunished. This is the moral of the story.

Michelle 48:20

I have to say you guys are right and you're wrong, but yes is the answer.

Greg 48:28

You're right and wrong, but yes.

Michelle 48:30

Yeah. Okay, so we don't know who started the war. We don't know who this person was. But all of the stories that I'm reading, all of the accounts is just like shit popped off, right? We don't know if it was someone who was like, oh, level seven's too much, you know, or what. Or if some alien was just like, this fucking guy, this fucking guy, looked at me wrong. And so now I killed him, but I wasn't authorized to kill him. Because one of the other things that is talked about a lot in the Dulce uh base is that there is this agreement between humans and aliens. And when I say humans, I don't mean uh the subjects of all of this torture. I mean the government that has the agreement with the aliens that we can all live here together and we have member, you're gonna pay me with your technology. That situation. There's like rules, you know? So the aliens and the humans gotta live together because there are all the aliens that we're doing all these horrible things to, but then there's like, you know, the guys that are the security guards and the guys, member, we went to work and we had our fucking suitcase and we had to get weight. All those guys are there too. So there's some people say that like maybe one of those guys overstepped and an alien killed him. And then, you know, somebody else, some other human, was like, hey, you can't just like kill Joe.

Bobby 50:01

HR, level three HR got involved.

Michelle 50:04

Yeah, and HR, everybody knows they're fucking full of shit. And so the aliens are like, fuck HR, just like the rest of us want to say, but they're aliens, so who's gonna stop them? And now they're killing HR. And now we gotta send down our homies, Delta Force. That's right.

Bobby 50:21

Chuck Norris.

Michelle 50:22

Fuck yeah, dude.

Bobby 50:23

Delta Force Chuck Norris.

Greg 50:25

Yeah.

Michelle 50:28

Yes. That's right. Um, so whatever actually popped off the war, we don't know. But Delta Force goes in, everybody's killing everybody. Now, some people are like, everyone fucking dies. Everybody, no one gets out alive. Some guys on the news who were talking about cattle mutilation earlier in the story were like 60, maybe 70 bodies came out of there. Which to me does like not sound like a lot, especially when we're talking about how big this base is and how many people are in there, but whatever. Human bodies, human bodies, human, human workers. Okay, okay. Um, so like the blue-collar guys that go down. Um, so those guys all come out dead, everybody's dead, Delta Force goes in, kills everybody.

Bobby 51:14

Um Yeah, the aliens started the war, but Delta Force finished it.

Michelle 51:18

Yeah, it's it's so unfortunate. Like I did so much reading, you guys. I started watching these crazy documentaries, I started listening to people, I started listening to all these people trying to figure out who started the war, who are the warriors, what actually happened.

Bobby 51:36

This is a great twist for me. Like when we got here, like I I'm obviously enamored with the Dulce Warriors. This is just like when I first first became aware of the conspiracy journal, the Dulce Warriors was one of the first things that I saw. So since then I'm just always like, What's up with the Dulce Warriors? Had no idea that it was potentially Delta Force.

Michelle 51:55

Yeah. Yeah, the only one who gets a warrior medal and a ward and a pen and a ribbon, Chuck Norris. That's it. That's the only person.

Greg 52:08

Yeah. Okay, so it's kind of honorary. Yeah, yeah. Totally. He he just takes credit. Yeah. I'm just like, well, obviously it's Chuck Norris.

Bobby 52:17

Yeah, when he's at events, there's like he's wearing his dress uniform, but then there's like all his ribbons, and somebody's like, what's that one for?

Michelle 52:22

I can't talk about it. It's a top secret. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So I did start to research. Well, okay, how did the war end then, you guys? If you can't tell me how it started or what's what I even happened, how did it end? Also, nobody knows that. Apparently, 60 to 70 dead bodies came out. That's the only true account I can get. Then other people were like, oh, they fucking sealed it off. They blasted all the doors. Yeah, yeah.

Bobby 52:49

They would have to just kind of that might be the moon, dude.

Michelle 52:52

Um but you guys, if it all connects all over the world and goes to the rainbow room in Antarctica, how can you really seal it off?

Bobby 52:57

Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. So does the rainbow room in Antarctica connect to the rainbow room, the bar in LA where Lemmy used to hang out?

Michelle 53:04

No, it connects to the one that's on the top of Rockefeller Center. That one East Coast online.

Bobby 53:10

Sure, sure, sure. Yeah. My bad.

Michelle 53:12

Yeah. And also Lemmy hung out at Duff's in Brooklyn. Um so maybe there's a little underground tunnel that connects the rainbow room in LA to Duff's in Brooklyn. So called the Lemmy tunnel.

Bobby 53:25

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Michelle 53:26

You're welcome. This is how shit gets started, by the way.

Greg 53:29

Uh-huh.

Michelle 53:29

Anyhow. Um, so we blasted the Dulce base, I think.

Greg 53:33

And yeah, I mean, if we were already setting off nukes and stuff out there, it could have just been like, oh, we're just running another bomb test.

Michelle 53:39

It's probably why they picked that site.

Bobby 53:42

They were like, fucking, yeah, we're gonna get a little contingency planning because anything's just rocking red button for this place for sure. For sure. Yeah, exactly. Code blue, red button, boom. Purple, purple blast. That's what happens. Code blue, red button, purple blast. Got it.

Michelle 53:58

Listen, the government's gonna start tapping our phones because we have really tapped into something here. Um, so I mean, listen, I don't know what to tell you other than like this whole story ends with like a shrug. Uh-huh. Um, but I can talk more if you want. We can talk a little bit about who the fuck said all this. Um, and so I'll tell you that really quick. There's homie Paul Benowitz. He is considered patient zero of the Dulce base.

Bobby 54:33

This guy I do know a little bit about. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Michelle 54:36

Yeah. You should. Everybody should. Um, he is listed on his Wikipedia page page as a businessman.

Bobby 54:43

Classic.

Michelle 54:44

But he also earned a PhD in physics. So he starts receiving signals. I don't know on what radio, I don't know, his computer. I don't know. It's the 70s, whatever. He starts getting signals from aliens about this base. He fucking cracks the code. And he's like, dude, there's aliens. I they're talking to me. There's a base here. He starts photographing, he starts videoing. I cannot find any of these photographs or any of this video. But there is Richard Dotti. He is some military air force guy. He admits that he fed Paul a bunch of bullshit about aliens and sent him signals and whatever, all this disinformation, so that Benowitz would go out and tell the public that all of this shit's going on sound crazy. Um, because it actually did drive this poor man insane.

Bobby 55:46

Yeah. Um, so I mean that's the classic method, is like when somebody's onto something, it's like, let's make them seem crazy.

Michelle 55:51

Exactly, exactly. And that's what they did to him. And it like it's really a tragic story. Um in the book The Dolce Warriors, Sean Castile does a Paul Benowitz chapter, and he talks, he he calls him a tragic figure. Um, and I think he says it best. He says that Paul was someone who may have stumbled onto some real secrets, but was ultimately overwhelmed by manipulation.

Greg 56:18

So yeah, it kind of happens a lot. And it's like for lack of better, a better term, it's like the idea of the useful idiot. Yeah. And then I'm not I'm not necessarily saying any of these people are idiots, but it happens a lot where it is just like, oh, like, yeah, you're you're reading up on something, you're discovering things and probably uncovering things that you shouldn't be looking at. So someone sent to you, like, I I also have all of this insider information, and then it just gets fed all the nonsense, and then like you're starting to believe it more and more, and the story becomes even more fantastical, and it is just all nonsense. Yeah, and then people go out there, say all of this crazy stuff, and then immediately get shut down.

Michelle 56:58

Yeah. Yeah. And it's all just manipulation and on purpose. It's it's evil, it's really, really messed up what they did. This guy, one of the other guys that comes up when you uh start doing crazy amounts of research is John Lear, buddy. By the way, something I learned about him is that his wife, after they got divorced, she married Adam West.

Bobby 57:22

No, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah.

Michelle 57:24

Batman. Boom, pow, bang, that guy. Um, anyway, John Lear, he wasn't at Dulce, but he talked about it a lot, and he had like a big following, and people uh thought he was credible, and so he got the word out about Dulce. So whatever. We don't we don't mind that.

Greg 57:44

And I mean at the end of the day, I think more people should just go look into the Dulce Warriors, Dulce Wars, and yeah, just do uh like like you did yourself and just do a giant deep dive into Dulce and it's because it's it's a never-ending like rabbit hole.

Michelle 58:05

You'll never be the same.

Bobby 58:06

Also, I mean if you've never been, like just go to the desert and get out there and see what's happening. It's a wild definitely. Yeah. People it kind of gets an idea with like people have never been, it's just like that there's not much going on, but it's a very alive when you I love it out there. It's very alive, it's very wild, and especially these these places, they're so far off the beaten path a lot of them when you get out there. I've driven around the the desert in Arizona and New Mexico a lot, and there's just uh so much wide open space, so much land.

Greg 58:35

Which makes it also interesting to think that like they're gonna try to like do any testing or anything. It's like it's so dead that like anything that happens, you're paying attention to it. Yeah. So it's like interesting that they would have chosen a place like that where it is you go out there and like no matter what you see, like you're very, very conscious of it.

Bobby 58:55

That said, you can it's the best place in America to get far away from people. Yeah. To put physical distance between you and other people.

Michelle 59:03

But also, you guys, everything's happening under the ground.

Bobby 59:06

Fair enough. So well done, them.

Michelle 59:11

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Greg 59:12

Yeah, they do a lot.

Bobby 59:14

Uh-huh.

Greg 59:14

They.

Bobby 59:15

Yeah.

Greg 59:16

And also when it comes to like even like tunnels and boring and stuff, and everyone, I know immediately would just be like, oh, that's nonsense. And like a lot, like we have other bases that are way more well known, like NORAD and Colorado Springs, where it's like it's like it's an entire base built into a mountain. So it's not like this isn't conceivable or that this isn't even a possibility. Like we do have them and we're we know that they're there.

Michelle 59:42

Yeah, in in part of my research, I don't have it in front of me of a thousand papers, but um, I did start going down that rabbit hole. What are all the bases we have that are underground? And some of them are massive, and then there's some that are like uh like Camp David is supposedly has a huge underground portion. Um there's also uh supposedly okay, it's okay, but there's also like tunnels that connect from the Pentagon to other parts of Virginia and into Pennsylvania where there's bases, and there's like photos and shit of these actual bases, like a lot more um evidence that it's real versus Dulce that I cannot with any Michelle.

Greg 1:00:25

You and I have been to one at the Greenbrier Hotel.

Michelle 1:00:28

Oh my god, the bunker, dude. Like the wild bunker. Yeah. That's there.

Greg 1:00:32

Like, and that's even like that's such small scale, but like you figure that's just under a hotel.

Michelle 1:00:38

Yeah.

Greg 1:00:39

And like that's again built into a mountain essentially that to house 1,500 people, I think it is. And it's there to help them survive. Like people from uh Washington can go there via like trains that go directly there. And it's like it's all documented, it's all real. So it's even more proof that like something like this isn't that inconceivable because it does exist to our knowledge already. And it's just people are just like, yeah, they're unaware that like something like this is actually possible.

Michelle 1:01:12

Yeah, totally.

Bobby 1:01:13

I got some uh I got some some underground stuff that I'm gonna talk about in a later later episode. Oh, fun. Yeah, but some some legitimate underground situations, yeah. Sick.

Michelle 1:01:24

Oh, uh, so uh I mean, look, there's more people who are involved in the uh outing of the Dulce base, but it's too much to list and it's it's too undocumented, and honestly, it gets really sad. Almost all of them end up dead by suicide, um, which are also uh probably all cover-ups. So probably none of them committed suicide. It just, I mean, it's horrific. Um, so uh with that, all I can say is please read the Dulce Warriors book and visit us at conspiracyjournal.com. And if you have any questions or you want to tell us anything, you can email us at thepod at conspiracyjournal.com. And if you have any stories about visiting a base or seeing a UFO, or if you know anything that you uh want to add to the story, you can call us at the Strange Exchange 929 445 3705. Thank you. Good night.