009 M-FILES Willow Creek

Welcome to the M-Files where the Henchmen investigate movies Hollywood doesn’t want you to question. This week, they crack open a M-File on Bobcat Goldthwait’s Willow Creek, a found footage nightmare tied to the famous Patterson–Gimlin Bigfoot film. What starts as a couple’s innocent search for the truth turns into something far darker. Did they find Bigfoot? Tune in to find out!

This file contains spoilers, speculation, and total mayhem. Consider yourself warned. 

Transcript

Reggie 0:15

The transmission starts now.

Michelle 0:20

Whatever. Alright, nobody knows me.

Bobby 0:23

Greg started recording and he didn't tell us.

Michelle 0:25

Sick. Alright, fucking t tell me what to do.

Bobby 0:30

Yeah, welcome to the M files, you fucks. Yeah.

Michelle 0:33

And I don't appreciate being called a fuck.

Bobby 0:35

Oh, I was talking to everybody but you.

Michelle 0:37

Okay, then it's fine.

Bobby 0:38

Okay. I enjoy being a fuck.

Michelle 0:40

Good for you.

Bobby 0:41

Okay, I want them all.

Michelle 0:42

Yeah.

Greg 0:43

This is going to be the M files, so we're gonna just essentially watch some movies, re-watch the movies, and talk about what it is they were and why it matters to us.

Bobby 0:54

And if they're any fucking good. Or if they're terrible.

Michelle 0:57

Yeah.

Bobby 0:57

Straight up.

Michelle 0:58

I don't mind either way. I love a terrible movie.

Bobby 1:00

Oh, yeah, there's gonna be some bad ones.

Michelle 1:02

I mean, this one is not a good one.

Bobby 1:04

Which are so fun for us to watch. To watch a bad movie and discuss it is is pretty enjoyable. Yeah. I feel like in this genre, when there's a bad movie, they're generally bad in the fun way.

Michelle 1:15

Oh yeah.

Bobby 1:16

A movie has to be really, really bad to be bad, bad.

Michelle 1:19

That's true. That's true.

Bobby 1:20

You know, I really enjoy a bad good.

Michelle 1:22

Mm-hmm. Love a bad good.

Greg 1:24

Yeah, there are some, especially on the topic of the movie of Willow Creek. Like, there's a lot of fun. I'd say it's good, good. No, I'm I'm just saying there's a lot of fun, like bad Bigfoot movies. And it is just like they're almost they may as well just be like student films or something, but they're they get a wide release, and you're like, whoa, what the fuck?

Michelle 1:43

Yeah.

Greg 1:44

It's just some like giant monster ripping arms off of people, and they're like, they spent their whole budget.

Bobby 1:49

Certainly didn't spend it on acting class.

Greg 1:53

Or lights or good cameras. There's nothing about it that is good.

Michelle 1:57

The most important thing was the rubber arms. Okay. And it shows.

Greg 2:01

And they use them all over the movie. If you got them, the only thing that happens is like people get their arms ripped off, and it's just the same arms every time.

Bobby 2:08

Arms, arms, arms. Yeah. What did we what did we think of Willow Creek? What did we think of Willow Creek?

Greg 2:14

This was the second time around. Like I saw it a few times when it came out. A few times. Well, it was probably like twice. And I remembered so much more happening than actually happened after rewatching it.

Bobby 2:27

It like it outlived. I mean, it it grew. It loomed large in your mind. Larger than it was, in fact.

Greg 2:33

Yeah. And I liked it because I'm a big fan of found footage stuff. And uh this was kind of and it was interesting that this was a big foot movie and it was a found footage movie because the original footage was sort of a found footage film, the uh the Patterson Gimlin footage. And like this is just we're following our protagonist, Jim and Kelly, into Willow Creek and Northern California to like rewalk the steps of that footage.

Bobby 3:02

I gotta say, I I I loved their relationship. It just felt very real. I was like, I know this couple that like we all know those couples that's like it seems like you guys don't even really like each other.

Michelle 3:14

Yeah.

Bobby 3:14

But they but they continue to date and get married for many years, you know, and it's yeah, it's always weird when you hang out with that couple because they're just like fighting. You like went on a trip and you're hoping to have a good time, you know. You're at the like on the boat at the sandbar or whatever, and then they're just like Jim and Kelly are just bickering constantly. Yeah, they really had that vibe, but it felt it felt real like the the two actors had the that sort of dynamic.

Greg 3:37

But I thought it was funny too. Like if if it was set up to be found footage, it was funny that like they were like whoever found quote unquote found the footage, put the documentary together, like left in like outtakes. Or it was like, oh no, we gotta do that one again. That one was stupid. Oh nope, do that again. And it was just like, why would you ever leave that in there? But it does tell the story and give it a sense of like reality though, too. Yeah.

Michelle 3:59

I thought that that's what made it believable that they were that this was found footage was stuff like that, like that outtakes and the and the retakes, you know. I thought that that was actually genius. And speaking of genius, I don't think we've mentioned yet who directed this film.

Greg 4:16

Bobcat Goldplate. Yeah. I only know Bobcat. Like, I think a lot of people only really knew Bobcat was from police academy.

Michelle 4:24

That's all that's I didn't know he did anything else ever. And so when you guys uh first came to me with this movie, I was like, I've never heard of it. And then you told me who directed it, and I was like, the sick I my mind just starts going, all right, let's do it.

Bobby 4:41

Yeah, he's had a pretty good uh he also voiced the the rabbit in that sitcom, Unhappily Ever After. Do you remember the sitcom with a talking, like floppy bunny rabbit?

Michelle 4:51

I don't.

Bobby 4:52

It was on for a while, it was decent.

Greg 4:53

And he had like uh like little side characters and a lot and a lot of stuff. The his character in Police Academy was such Zed. It was such a specific and awesome, great role. Yeah, it was so iconic that it's just it's hard to like even seeing him in things. I'm not it's not that he's not great in anything else he does, but it's just like you kind of forget that that's him because he he's not the character in the police academy.

Michelle 5:21

Yeah.

Bobby 5:21

I wonder, I mean, he's he's had a great career as a director, like really flown under the radar, like has directed some absolutely some really good films and and did a really great job. Um, just in kind of diving back into this, I was reminded that he directed World World's Greatest Dad, starring Robin Williams, which I think is a very underrated film, super like dark premise, but like yeah, shot in like uh like shot and lit in like a comedic way, yeah. Um, but not acted as such. It was a very unique film, uh, very interesting.

Greg 5:53

The one thing about uh Willow Creek that I thought was super interesting, and like you'll notice it when you watch it, is just it is a micro budget.

Bobby 6:02

Yeah, yeah, I did check it out. He this is self-funded. Bobcat paid for this himself out of his own pocket.

Michelle 6:10

You're blowing my mind right now because I'm like, oh, you know, like Bobcat, that's great. He directed this, but now that you say it's he funded it himself, like Bobcat loves Bigfoot. This is incredible.

Greg 6:23

This is this is something that he talked about in interviews too. Like, because when people are asking, like, why Bigfoot, like what was this for? And he's just super interested in the topic altogether. Uh this is um pumped now, and then going up there and like talking to these people and like living in the culture of Willow Creek, California, right? And just like it's such like an interesting, like, microcosm of people that are there.

Bobby 6:48

He said that he toured like six months before filming, he like drove around California and toured all the Bigfoot hotspots. Uh-huh. I don't know what the what the vibe was like, but it just seems like such a a more enjoyable way to make a film. You know, to it seemed like something he really cared about. They shot it in about a week, he funded it himself and they just like went for it. Yeah, they just went for it, they just got the cameras and got the actors and went for it. If you love film, if you're an aspiring filmmaker, I just think there's a lot of valuable lessons in just going and doing it, just making something and making it happen. And this film's a great example of like the you can do that and make a good film.

Michelle 7:21

Yeah, yeah. I fully agree. Uh, you know, I gotta say, now that uh you guys have told me all that, my my opinion has uh changed.

Greg 7:29

Oh, about your opinion on the movie itself.

Michelle 7:32

Yeah, yeah. Just like as a whole project, I was kind of like underimpressed, you know. But now that I know there's so much heart in it, that that like gave gave it a real big boost right there.

Bobby 7:44

Yeah, with the I mean there's obviously limitations when you're self-funded and and doing it on that amount of time. Um, you know, and we've all individually like spent different time in in roles on on movie and TV and film sets. It's like there's a lot, there's a lot going on. And so to to I think they did it with like there was like seven people, yeah, is what he said. And it's incredible to to make something like that. So yeah, I think I I think at its base, just on its own, I think it's a good film. And then with you know the parameters under which it was made, it's like, oh, this is incredible.

Greg 8:18

Like it's like even like that idea, like it reminds me of like being in high school or and in college, and my friend being a film student and just showing up and like, hey, we're shooting this this weekend. And like and we would just like help him with his projects and stuff, and like I can imagine like it kind of having that vibe because it is just a few people around, and it's just like, here's what we're doing, here's your little script, here's like the premise, but you can like say whatever, but this is these are the beats we're trying to get to. Yeah, and so much fun.

Michelle 8:47

For for for the listeners, um uh we all have a background in film and photography. So we uh have some experience with what it's like to put a film together, and so we can speak from experience and you know, just the thinking about my my own kind of like what Greg just said about like you know, college days when your buddy just came over and you helped him make a movie or whatever. It's like then you go on and on to big set huge productions. Hundreds of people are on it, and it's fun and it's exciting and all that, but like for me, the small, you know, like gorilla style stuff doing with my buddies are the things that like I really remember and like really feel like the good old days and I have a lot of um warm feelings about, you know, and it's like maybe the end product wasn't as big budget great, but like it feels more important sometimes, you know. And like I think that you know what you guys just told me about the making of it just gave me such a boost of you know, this seemed like a low budge kind of whatever movie. But now that I like know that it was and it was made by like seven people to make a movie like this in seven days with like a handful of people, huge feat like that. Oh yeah, that's a lot of work for everybody involved.

Greg 10:08

And even like, and of course, like when you watch it, you kind of understand that. Like you can kind of grasp, like, because there is a I know spoilers and stuff, we can dive into movie parts, but like there's one scene at night, they're sitting in their tent, and the the whole scene is almost it is essentially one take for about 20 minutes, and it's just them reacting to what they're hearing outside the tent. Yeah, and it's just like that's such a giant, I think it's 80-minute runtime for the movie, and it's such a giant chunk of the film, but the it's done so great because like you're also listening with them.

Bobby 10:42

They did such a good job. That scene, they did such a good job of building tension, yeah. And like, and I think utilizing the viewers' expectations of film, because like I went through these like peaks and lulls that's like after about five minutes, you're like, Okay, something's gonna happen. Yeah, something's about to happen, and then it doesn't, and you get kind of lulled, and then you're like, okay, something is about to happen, and then it doesn't, and you're like, Well, and then you get lulled again, and they really like take you on that until something fucking does happen, you know?

Greg 11:10

Yeah, yeah, and it's funny because like it just starts as just like you would hear like some rustling, yeah, and it's just like you're you can't be anything but terrified with them, like you're living it with them as it's happening, and you're just like, Yeah, what the fuck? What yeah, what did I did? I hear something?

Michelle 11:25

You know what? Going back to what Bobby was saying before about the couple's relationship, though, it's like while I was watching that scene, I did feel very much also the way the camera is set up. It feels like I'm in the tent with them and I'm holding the camera on them or something. Like it feels like I'm I'm so close to them. They're having their own moment of like, you know, she's uh getting a little more scared than he is, but he he's scared too, and we're still we're it's all really quiet. We're listening for what's what was that and what's this?

Greg 11:57

It is go ahead, I'm sorry.

Michelle 11:59

Well, I start thinking like I'm I'm starting to have an argument with my made-up relationship partner inside the tent. You know what I mean? Like, why why aren't you why turn the light off? Don't turn the light off. Why aren't you going out there? Why aren't you doing something? Why don't go out there though? You know what I mean? And like, why aren't you agreeing with me? And why aren't you disagreeing with me? Like, I'm having my own, like besides the possible monster that's outside the tent, I'm like having a fight, you know. Um, and I feel like they somehow they got me to be involved in a relationship that I never want to be in.

Bobby 12:36

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

Greg 12:38

And it is like, with it being so small, like, and there's no budget for a monster. I mean, you're not, we don't even see the monster uh during the whole stretch of the film, but just like a as like a character study on like the fear of the unknown, like human arrogance, even like the idea of folklore and like mythology versus reality. Like you walk into these things with something in your head, and like yeah, it is one of those things like fear of the dark. You hear a noise, and your brain is just filling in those gaps of what it could possibly be.

Michelle 13:08

And you know, the the boyfriend in this, Jim, he does that. He's like, What is that? That's Bigfoot vocalizing. They're vocalizing it. I'm sitting there going, haven't these fucks ever heard an owl? Like that was an owl hooting, you know, but because in his mind he's there to see Bigfoot, an owl hooting equals Bigfoot.

Greg 13:26

But I I really like that like Bobcat um included knocking because like that's part of the lore. And like it there was like this like light knocking that you would hear, and it would get somewhat closer, and it's like, and he's like explaining it to his, he's giving X exposition for his wife, essentially, but the viewer too. That that is part of the story of Bigfoot.

Bobby 13:48

There's a couple funny moments. I made some notes about like those specific parts, and she like there's these sounds, and she's like, Is that wolves? And he's like, Are you fucking serious, Kelly? Yeah, and but but it's it's not only like are you fucking serious? He's like, You know damn well that's a big like that's what he's saying. It's like these are real kind of vocalizations. Are you serious? You think that's wolves, you idiot? These are vocalizations, yeah. Uh that was just like a very funny exchange to me.

Michelle 14:16

That was funny to me as well. I did notice that. And I I have to say that like I feel like we're skipping a little ahead to like that tent scene because there is a lot of buildup before they get in the tent. I mean, you're you know, it starts with them in the car and you're like really getting to know them.

Bobby 14:31

There was some go ahead.

Michelle 14:33

I hate them. All I have to say, Jim sucks so much.

Bobby 14:38

Yeah, yeah.

Michelle 14:39

What a condescending prick. Like, I hate that guy, but also really believable. Like, I'm not sure.

Bobby 14:44

Yeah, I know that guy. Yeah, I know that guy. I've seen this relationship. Kelly, you can do better.

Michelle 14:48

Yeah, yeah. At one point, she's she, I was really fucking proud of our girl Kelly. Oh, yeah, totally, totally.

Bobby 14:54

I wrote a note as well. This is what when I wrote a note, I was like, Michelle was proud at this moment. I know it. Yep.

Michelle 15:00

So, okay, you guys, spoiler, like this whole M files is a big spoiler. So that's all we're gonna be doing. Yeah, if you if you if you haven't seen the film, stop, go watch it, then come back. Exactly. Or if you're like, I don't mind being spoiled, and then I'll go watch it later, then then hang tight and let's do it. Kelly, all right, so they're in the tent, all right. You guys, it's dark, but like none of the spooky stuff has happened yet. Although there was like a hillbilly guy, and that was a little bit spooky, but whatever. We're in the tent, we're relatively safe. You know, we went swimming in the lake, we're having a great time, or stream, puddle, whatever. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Jim is like in his condescending ass prick way, is like, you know, I love you, right? You know, and never felt this way about anybody before in my whole life. You know that, right? Don't you? Don't you? You know that? Like, bro, you suck. I was like, out loud, I said, you better be breaking up with her. Because if this is if this is a proposal, this sucks. Yeah. And it's a fucking proposal.

Bobby 15:54

It reminded me of the like, it's always sunny in Philadelphia, where he has like the girls on the boat, and he's like, it's the implication. Implication. She wants she won't say no. And it's like he's got her in a tent in the middle of the woods hunting Bigfoot. It's like, is she gonna say no?

Michelle 16:06

But she she doesn't, she doesn't say yes, and I literally started clapping. I was like, Yes, girl. And I made a joke because for all the listeners, I did get married when I was 29 years old, and then I got divorced because I didn't have the balls to have a solid boundary and be like, you know what, this is too soon, and say no.

Bobby 16:29

Michelle said, Yes, Kelly, so proud of you, girl.

Michelle 16:33

That is probably verbatim what I said out loud. That is exactly, you know what? You know me. That's what I said. Because, yes, girl, say no. It was great.

Greg 16:42

There was a moment, I'll just I'll just mention this too. Like, I was watching this with my lady, and she I didn't tell her anything about the movie, and when it got to that point in the movie, she's like, Oh, this isn't real. Yeah, I mean, I guess they sell it pretty well pretty well.

Michelle 17:00

Again, the relationship is so believable, and then um, you know, Bobcat's research really shows because I did drive through the Red Wood Forest once many years ago, and I do remember those little Bigfoot motel and like go to the bar that has the Bigfoot mug and the burger. Oh, there's so much great stuff burger, yeah. And yeah, I really felt like they they did a really good job of like stopping in all those places.

Bobby 17:23

And there were some great comedic beats, like that's kind of how the film opens up, is them getting into that area, and there were some some things that I thought were funny. Like, there's like a there's a missing woman, and they see like a poster of the missing woman, and then they're like Kelly's trying to do her best, like missing person's poster face, which I thought was a funny little thing. I thought she did a good job.

Greg 17:42

I think they really he really nailed uh the casting of all like the B characters, like the like all the people they were like quote unquote like interviewing for like exposition, building the story at the beginning.

Bobby 17:52

Oh, the bookstore owner bookstore owner, yeah.

Michelle 17:54

Yeah, the bookstore owner. I I literally wanted to run away. Like that guy creeped me out so hard. So there's like an older woman who who first sees them at like the motel or whatever. There's an older guy who's like something really bad happens to his dog, but he was so believable and lovely man. But then we're in the like Bigfoot bookstore, and there is the creepiest creep with like the creepiest face where he like his head is low, like like chin tucked into your neck low, but his eyes are up at the end.

Bobby 18:25

Yeah, he does a low look where his head's tilted down, and then he looks up at you kind of it's it's real weird.

Michelle 18:31

And his eyes are like to the camera a lot, and the creep meter, the just that internal primal creep meter that we all have, like you in danger, girl, you better get out of that bookstore. And also his face has kind of like a if Bam from Jackass and Gollum had a baby of somehow, it would be this creep in the Bigfoot bookstore.

Greg 18:57

The one thing I I really like too about the bookstore that really that really sells it is I don't know how much like set dressing had to go into this. Since if they're shooting up there, it's pretty easy to like gather things. But he even had like a little framed ad, or it might have been like a framed cover, I can't remember which. Um, but it was for like the abominable snowman.

Michelle 19:19

I saw that on on his right. Yeah, it was like it was in the background.

Greg 19:22

So like even like small little details like that that actually like tie to the story of Bigfoot was uh at one point. And it's such a small detail, but like it was enough that, like, oh yeah, like there is like a throwback, a call to that, you know.

Michelle 19:35

To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if that's a real location and they shot in there exactly as it was, like zero set dressing or like little to no set dressing.

Bobby 19:45

It must definitely, yeah. And Bobcat talks about using a lot of the locals, getting their permission, but not telling them what the film was about, and just like asking them, you know, essentially as the character Jim Wood as he rolled through. You know, and I thought that came across really well with with them talking to the locals. And there was the guy who reminded me of John Hopper from Blues Traveler, yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, singing singing the song with the harmonica and the guitar.

Greg 20:09

I made a note about him just being like, fuck yeah, dude. Like, yeah, yeah. He did it.

Bobby 20:13

He had a great song about uh Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin, about them finding the or shooting the footage of of Patty back in 1967, that which is what brought Jim and Kelly consequently into this area.

Michelle 20:26

Oh, what's so good about that scene too is there's not, you know, uh to give your lady props, there's not a moment in that scene, I don't believe, is real. You know what I mean? Like that in the tent scene, like the no no no the scene where um the with the guy singing the blues traveler guys.

Bobby 20:43

Yeah, like I just oh yeah, that guy's absolutely genuine. Yeah.

Michelle 20:49

If that's an actor and like, you know, uh Bob Cat wrote this too. So if Bob Cat wrote that song and that actor sang that song and even messes it up and then starts again, if that was all like planned, I would I'm I mean, give give them the awards. You know, because I really believe that that's like a real guy. It probably was a real song. Most definitely, you know what I mean?

Bobby 21:11

Most definitely, yeah, absolutely. I mean we could like look at props for for finding him, you know, for yeah, for finding these people. I thought the the old lady was real sweet that just like she worked at the Willow Creek visitor center and she wasn't she didn't have time for any Bigfoot bullshit. No, she was like, anybody seen a Bigfoot side? She's like, Nope. Nope, nope, she's like, You hear anything? Nope.

Michelle 21:31

What what would you do if you saw one? Nothing.

Bobby 21:35

Yeah, essentially she's like, it's not real out there.

Michelle 21:38

Yeah, she's like, that wouldn't happen because it's not real.

Bobby 21:41

Yeah, get out of here. She's like, I can tell you about the beautiful area that we're in. Like that was her jam, which I really, really appreciated.

Michelle 21:46

Yeah.

Bobby 21:47

Kelly was kind of like razzing him the whole time. I like she kept like bringing up leprechauns, which I thought was funny. Yeah.

Michelle 21:52

I liked Kelly a lot more than I like Jim.

Greg 21:54

I did make it note like dude's non bitch wife and her fucking leprechauns. That's all I wrote down.

Bobby 22:02

Yeah. Yeah. I do. I also, that's so funny. I in my notes, I have again with the leprechauns.

Michelle 22:09

Fuck you guys. Okay. My notes don't have anything about her leprechauns. My notes are all Kelly Kelly Forever.

Bobby 22:16

You were on Team Kelly. Yeah. Yeah, it was great. I did. Do you guys know what free holes are? Oh my god, dude. In the film, Jim was like, oh, these free holes. I was like, I don't know what that means. I've spent a lot of time in that area from the West Coast. Yeah. Not familiar with it. What's a free hole? What is a free hole? I have no idea.

Michelle 22:32

I thought maybe you're like call it a strange exchange. I'll give you the number. Please, please mansplain free holes to me. I don't know what we're talking about. Strange Exchange, 929-445-3705.

Greg 22:45

Yeah. Please don't like make it a sex thing. But if it is and that's legit, then yeah.

Bobby 22:50

Speaking of free holes, uh, how cute was that little raccoon that popped out? Oh my god. We thought we were gonna get see a bigfoot and it was just a little sweet raccoon.

Michelle 22:59

I know, I know. How did they okay? So everybody knows I can't.

Bobby 23:03

Also, how did they get him? Raccoons are very easy to get. Popcorn chips, yeah. Anything that's how they got them.

Michelle 23:10

I never got one. So, okay, whatever.

Bobby 23:13

Any pretty much any food item at all will get you uh a raccoon. Yep.

Michelle 23:18

All right, back to Teen Kelly for a minute. Just a quick minute. Did anybody else feel like, all right, let me back up. I don't have a lot of outdoor experience, but I got a little now, and so I'm an expert. Jim is really underprepared for this situation, and I feel like Kelly did everything. I bet Kelly built the tent, and Kelly was probably the person who had snacks, and maybe water. I'm just saying Team Kelly. Yeah, that's it. Anybody else pick up on that or is that just me?

Greg 23:47

Yeah, probably. I mean I I think he didn't expect to spend that much time out there. I think like since they got diverted by the hillbilly dude that told him they can't go down to search anything out.

Michelle 23:59

Great scene. I felt like I believe that that guy would have punched Jim the fuck out.

Bobby 24:04

I just uh because I wrote this in my notes because I had to, that hillbilly character, his his quote unquote real name, the what he what he's credited as is Bucky Sinister.

Greg 24:20

Awesome.

Bobby 24:21

Is that gentleman's name? Sorry. I didn't I had to focus, I was doing stuff, so I couldn't go on a deep dive like I normally would of like the life and times of Bucky Sinister, but we might have a follow-up episode depending on what I find when I do.

Michelle 24:33

I need an update. So just so that I fully understand what what you're saying to me is in the credits it says Bucky Sinister himself.

Bobby 24:42

Is that how we no no I think I I mean I don't know what his character in the film is called, Hillbilly or Meet Mean Guy or whatever, but it it's like just as it will say Jim, Bryce Johnson, right, right, Kelly Alexi Gilmore, Hillbilly who stops him on the road, Bucky Sinister.

Michelle 24:59

Got it. Okay. I have so many questions.

Bobby 25:02

Yeah, no, I mean I think it's I we're gonna I love it so much more that his real life name maybe that he chose, maybe not what his mom called him, but what he goes by in the real world on a day-to-day is Bucky Sinister. Definitely. I mean, he's gotta be in a metal band.

Michelle 25:17

Definitely, probably with Bobcat, the two of those guys, they're probably buds.

Bobby 25:21

Yeah, Bucky and Bobcat.

Michelle 25:24

You guys want to go see Bucky and Bobcat today? Because I do.

Bobby 25:27

Sure do. Yep, they're playing at the Elks Lodge in Garberville.

Michelle 25:32

Actually, I believe it's a nights of Columbus, but whatever.

Greg 25:34

Yeah. One thing that I like I love about found footage stuff for the most part, they just let you think about it. It's very uh Lovecraftian, where it's just your imagination's so much scarier than just showing you a thing.

Michelle 25:47

Absolutely.

Greg 25:47

So it's just like the the whole movie is just like a build-up and a build-up, and it does have like pretty violent ending. Also, like a weird naked lady standing in the woods. But apparently, there are like cults of Bigfoot. There are people that like help the Bigfoot out to like help stay secretive and hidden like over the years. Yeah, okay. Let's there are tales of that sort of thing happening, but yeah, just the the idea that like you don't need to see it. Like it's so much scary. Whatever's in our heads is way worse than just showing you a creature.

Bobby 26:20

And just to just to like catch you up, I we've there's a lot to say, so we've been a little bit all over the place, but they they go to the town, then they go to the woods. Bucky Sinister tells them to fuck off, they ignore him, they go to the tent. A lot of stuff happens in the tent. Bigfoot's around.

Michelle 26:34

Sorry, can we pause though and go back to Bucky Sinister? Because I feel like that was like a real we didn't cover it all.

Bobby 26:42

Well, I was just we were getting to the end of the film, and I was like trying to catch us up to the end of the film because I think there's some more in the middle.

Michelle 26:49

I know, which is why I want to pause right there in the middle. Um so before we even get to the epic tent scene that we were talking about where Major Boundary Kelly says no to the engagement, but then also all the horrific sounds and the tension builds and all that stuff happens, and that's great. But before we even get there, we head into the woods and we're driving, and the road's bumpy, and Jim's a dick, but it's fine. And Jim all of a sudden knows exactly where he's going, you know? And like part of this is like nobody really knows exactly where the footage, the original footage was shot, but that's where Jim is trying to get to. And then all of a sudden, like a douchey-doche, he's like, I know exactly where I'm going. We gotta make a left right here.

Bobby 27:31

He gets the details from Bookstore Guy. I know. He's like, I'll tell you exactly where to go.

Michelle 27:36

Yeah, but he says hockey.

Greg 27:38

After being turned away by uh Bucky Sinister, he's just like, I know another way in. I know, and then that's just like, oh, you just want to go fuck around in the woods, which I'm all about, but like you're gonna get lost, man.

Bobby 27:51

Bad job by Jim at that point, because it's like you were just threatened in the woods. You got Kelly into this situation, you were just like pretty clearly threatened by Bucky Sinister, and you're like, fuck it, we're gonna sneak around him. And it's like, dude, you're putting Kelly in danger. Like you're putting you're putting Kelly in high danger, you're an asshole.

Michelle 28:09

Bobby, I really appreciate that you said that.

Bobby 28:11

Thank you.

Michelle 28:12

You know what? You are your friend and a confidant.

Bobby 28:17

Yep. Yep. My golden girl. Uh-huh. Yep. That's right. I love you. That's right.

Michelle 28:22

Thank you so much for it. Um, and you know what? Maybe part of my anger at Jim in the car there had to do with the fact that you're putting me in danger because I'm I'm speaking for Team Kelly.

Bobby 28:32

Absolutely. And I mean, spoilers, they never, once they go into the woods from the other way, they never make it back to the car. But I was like, dude, your car is gonna be so messed up by Bucky Sinister and his friends, they're gonna destroy your car. He's lighting your car on fire. Yeah, stealing your wheels, like literally wheels off the this is not like they're like at a trailhead that's patrolled, they're like deep on some Forest Service Roads, and I was like, your stuff is gonna get messed up out there, man. For real.

Michelle 28:57

Definitely, yeah. Oh, also, all right, so there's a part they set up Kelly fucking sets up the tent. We all know it's true. Kelly sets up the tent, she's a little bit pissed at Jim because Jim fucking sucks. And then Jim takes off and he's constantly filming. And I have to say this was all from 2013. So that's like over a decade ago. Now we're really all of us have been conditioned to have people, you know, taking selfies and talking to the influencers or a big thing. But back in 2013, it wasn't as big as it is now, right? So he's constantly filming himself, and it's a little cringy, you know, and Kelly's a little cringed by this, you know, and and she's like trying to do real shit, like set up their camp before it gets dark, and he's like in the corner being like, Hey, you guys, you we're here in the woods, look at it, you know, and she's like, Are you fucking kidding me? But then he fucks off and he comes back, he's like, I got a surprise for you. And he found like this really nice little creek and he goes for a little skinny dip, and it's like this really nice moment. She's back, she's not mad anymore. It's like really good. They go back to camp and their stuff has been uh fucked up, like their turns down, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I called bullshit on that. Like, who the who was that? Was that the creepy lady that looked like fucking Gigi Allen?

Bobby 30:10

Or was it was it Bucky Sinister? Yeah, or was it Bigfoot?

Greg 30:14

I mean Well, I mean, I guess that's kind of the point, though. It's like, yeah, you're it's still leaving like you to think about what it could have done.

Bobby 30:20

The point is this is where I will put a little blame on Kelly. Right controversial controversial status. At that moment, Kelly should have been like Kelly. I mean Jim's Jim's steering this ship for sure. That said, I find Kelly to be a strong independent woman. So when they come back and their tent is like destroyed and their camp is ruined, I really felt like Kelly should have been like, we're out of here right now. Yeah. You know, after you've had this run-in with Bucky Sinister, all this stuff is going on. I love how we're really just coming back to Bucky Sinister. Because now that we know his name, like, touchstone for the film. He was kind of the point of no return, honestly. You know, like stuff really jumped off after we met Bucky Sinister. Yeah, I would have liked I would have liked to have seen Kelly push a little bit harder to leave at that point. Uh, because that's super sketch. When you're come in the woods, there's like a weird camping code that generally seems to be true that people don't mess with your stuff in the woods. Like you don't you when you go camping, even in the backcountry, like you don't bring a little like lock to put on your tent when you go for a day hike. It's just like it just doesn't happen, it's just not done. So when it is done, big red flag, right? Big huge red flag. Maybe she didn't know that again, not her fault, but I just would have loved to see a little push from Kelly to get the fuck out of there at that moment.

Michelle 31:46

I do feel like you're blaming her. Um, and you know, now that we're thinking about it, right? So, like she says a couple of times that she's you know, she's an actress and she wants to move to LA, and he's like, I don't even fucking tell me that, you know, and like that was a great moment where he knew he knows that he's dating an aspiring actor.

Bobby 32:04

Yeah, and she's like, Yeah, I'll eventually want to move to LA. And he was like, What? Yeah, why would you do that? Uh excuse me.

Michelle 32:10

Um, and then he fucking proposes to her, and she's like, It's too soon. Maybe we should live together first. And I was like, I don't even fucking live together. Not that everybody's relationship needs to go in the order.

Bobby 32:22

She was throwing him a bone because of the implication.

Greg 32:28

I can't he put her in a precarious situation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What if I say no? Yeah, yeah. Well, she wouldn't say no, she's gotta get out of here to get out of there.

Michelle 32:39

So I just want to back up for a minute and let everybody know that I too am a strong independent woman. But I have not spent a lot of time in the woods. And so when I did, which is all pretty recent, I didn't want to leave the tent alone because I'm also from the city. And so I'm like, I I can't leave anything out. I gotta put my shoes and shit inside and then lock this bitch up. Like, I'm just gonna leave all of my worldly possessions like this. And I was taught that the code says yes, and no one's gonna fuck with it. Also, get a bear can of and put or not a bear can, whatever the fuck it's called, you put your foot in and shove it up a treat.

Bobby 33:12

It's called the bear can, you did great.

Michelle 33:13

Oh see, like I mean, I'm professional.

Bobby 33:15

Um but what would you have done if you had come back and the town was destroyed?

Michelle 33:18

Okay. First of all, I call bullshit on the tent destroying.

Greg 33:22

That was I mean, it happened, it's in the movie. I yeah, yeah. It's a little bit late to recut, you know.

Michelle 33:29

Yeah, that's a good point. It did happen, but like here's here's my bullshit call. It's like it was clearly man broke into the clearly a sinister bucky. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bobby 33:40

Um but isn't how terrifying is that?

Greg 33:43

Okay, so I it doesn't matter what it was, it was obviously something that someone means you harm.

Bobby 33:48

It's kind of how I enjoyed it.

Greg 33:49

Even if it was an animal, it's still like all of these things led up to being put in a position where now they're like you're not even there an hour and there's fucking shit rummaging through all of your stuff. What the fuck? Like it's coming back, whatever that was, you know.

Bobby 34:04

Okay, so I didn't I mean I really now I'm kind of regretting bringing it up because I feel like the way this conversation's gone, I'm definitely getting my golden girl status revoked. Uh yeah, you know, but yeah. Uh maybe I just wanted to say, I feel like maybe okay, so maybe it's not Kelly's fault. I feel like both of them, I feel like they should have just dipped at that point.

Michelle 34:21

Okay.

Greg 34:22

It's more dangerous though. It's like night.

Michelle 34:24

Yeah.

Greg 34:24

Like it's it's more dangerous to start wandering around in the woods with you, especially if you don't know exactly where you're at.

Bobby 34:29

I know, I just don't have a beat on how far they are from the car, you know.

Michelle 34:32

I have shockingly, I didn't even know this about myself. I shockingly have a fucking lot to say about this situation. And none of it, none of it has to do with the Bigfoot. It's just the idea of like Yeah, it's just basically the idea of going into the woods with a guy that you are in a relationship with, but like don't know well enough. Like you don't you've never seen him in the woods. You don't know what he's capable of though in uh capable of in the woods. And it just came across to me that she is the more capable one. And so if I attribute this, Michelle haze Jim so hard. I fucking do hate Jim because he sucks. He sucks so much. But I know when I go into the woods, I am really scared. Like I don't I know that I don't have the skill set, I know I don't have the experience, and I will only go in there with someone who does. So already at the top, bad Kelly. Bad. You're going into the woods with someone who doesn't know how to be in the woods.

Bobby 35:26

Oh, it sounds like someone's blaming Kelly. Yeah, victim of the wow, wow, wow. So progressive. Yeah. Hi, Kettle, this is Pot, you're black.

Michelle 35:37

Yeah, okay. So I'm just saying that's a strike against Kelly, but but Jim still sucks way more than Kelly because Jim's the one who got us out there. Yeah, and so if I am Kelly and I am trusting my man to be taking care of me and taking me into the woods, and like maybe that's where I messed up, Kelly. Maybe that's where he messed up, but he should be more in charge, is what I'm saying. As a strong independent woman, this man should have been in charge of the situation, and he wasn't. He let her down, and that's not Kelly's fault.

Bobby 36:08

He was in charge in the wrong direction.

Michelle 36:10

Yeah, he saw it.

Bobby 36:10

He was like, I'm in charge, and we're gonna stay here, okay, and then we're gonna be in this tent.

Michelle 36:15

Just admit you hate Jim too.

Bobby 36:16

He's not great. I mean, I also don't want to like talk too much smack, but like the really long tent scene, I thought that Alexi Gilmore, who played Kelly, did a fantastic job. Yeah, and I felt like she was acting against a piece of paper. Oh shit. In that scene, she was getting nothing from Jim. He was giving no emotion at all. And I know that like, I mean, it was obviously his character was like maybe trying to be like the stoic guy or whatever, but there was like he was just one tone for this entire like 20, 25-minute tent scene. There was zero change whatsoever. And I mean, like, if you haven't seen the film, there's like Bigfoots running around and like throwing rocks at the tent, and his tone does not change the entire time. And I was just like, She's doing a great job. Yeah, of like carrying that carrying the whole scene because he's given her nothing. I think that too.

Greg 37:07

Like, if I play a little devil's advocate here, and like if it is him and he's just like listening, because like that's essentially what it was that like his whole acting through that whole scene is just him looking, like off to a side. But it's just like we all do that, we like stare at nothing so we can hear better.

Michelle 37:25

Yeah, but it's one of those things.

Bobby 37:30

And like rocks were hitting the tent. Yeah, yeah.

Michelle 37:33

If anything, to calm her. Like, even at one point, I think she's like, Hold me.

Greg 37:37

Well, there's no reason for them both to be screaming.

Michelle 37:41

Fair, I'm not saying that he should be screaming, but he should be doing more.

Bobby 37:46

He didn't even like hug her tight and be like, I got you, I got you. It's it's okay, like whatever.

Greg 37:50

He just starts unzipping and just saying we may as well get after it now.

Bobby 37:54

Try to get her to film a porno uh earlier, right? But right before this. After he proposed and she shut him down, he was like, porno?

Michelle 38:02

And she was like, turn the camera off.

Bobby 38:03

She was like, no. And then he regularly said, he pretended to turn it off.

Michelle 38:07

And he pretended to turn it off. That's all a piece of shit. That's it's it wasn't creepy at all.

Greg 38:11

It's just it's what the couples do. Like again, all of this, all of this is like believable. Like it, it's it's it's the same thing. Like if you're by yourself, yeah, it's believable.

Bobby 38:21

Like we know this couple was like playing around. We know this couple. They they wake up the next morning after having like a pretty harrowing experience. Like, you know, nights in the woods when you hear stuff, it's it's jarring and shaky, and like they not only like heard some stuff, they were visited by by an unknown creature. Yeah, you know.

Michelle 38:44

Oh, there's one part where she's like, turn off the light, like maybe it's attracted to the light. Good thing, good try, but it gets really fucking close to the tent, and then he turns the light back on and it backs up. And I was like, for whatever reason, that that one, you know, going back to what Greg said about your own imagination makes it more scary. Like for whatever reason, that one was so scary to me.

Greg 39:05

That was that was in a moment too, like when I'm thinking about how our brains fill in those gaps. I'm with them in the tent because I'm like, how far is the gate? Like when you hear the steps, it's like, was that an animal? Like, what animal? It sounds like bipedal. Totally, yeah. And like I was like, I was going through all of the calculations like that in my head, like with them.

Bobby 39:22

And for all that critique I just had, that was a really great scene. Like, yeah, this is one take, one long take. And I don't know how many takes they did of it, but it's like a 20-minute long uncut shot. Yeah, like very well done. Absolutely, it has such an arc for being a continuous single shot like that.

Greg 39:39

It goes to show too when you have great actors and like a good premise of and a good setup, and like you don't really need a whole lot to tell a story, just the two of them in the tent being scared, going through all of this, like from the beginning of just like, hey, did you hear something? I I think I heard something, to like them absolutely terrified, and like you see all of it happen, and it's just like you didn't need like big explosions and like all the crazy shit.

Michelle 40:04

Like a lot of special effects and all kinds of stuff, like literally nothing. It's a it's one camera, two people inside a tent.

Greg 40:12

Yeah, and it's just if one if you plan it out, like you can tell such a great story with not needing a whole lot of anything. Yeah, it's fantastic.

Bobby 40:19

Yeah, a lot of good lessons in restraint and filmmaking.

Greg 40:22

I can understand too, like, people and you like some people watching this, like just being like, I don't know, people they're just like kind of like meandering around at the beginning, and then like it's real fucking slow, like this, like what is this now? And like there's no payoff at the end, like in terms of like seeing a creature or something, but like I can 100% understand like people seeing this and being like, What the fuck?

Bobby 40:43

But it's like as you hear that it's a Bigfoot movie and there is no creature, you do so yeah, people get upset about that.

Michelle 40:49

There's also like I'm here to watch a movie and I'm watching someone's home video.

Greg 40:53

Yeah. Well, people felt the same way, like uh what like Blair Witch. Blair Witch Project, yeah. People were like, What is this?

Michelle 40:59

Like that came out. I was probably like 14 or something, and like it first of all was awesome because it did come out as if it was true found footage, and that's how I went into it, and that was it was spectacular. I mean, like what what an accomplishment that the PR and everybody involved in that movie.

Bobby 41:18

I had a buddy that worked at the movies theater when that came out, and so we were we got to see free movies. And so I yeah, I saw Blair Witch probably six or seven times in the theater.

Greg 41:26

When I first saw it, it was uh my buddy. We go, we used to go to these like midnight, like all night midnight, like horror movie festival type things where it's just like it's like a lock-in, like you go in, you pay, and you we watch like the craziest like 70s b horror stuff. And it was like so much fun. And but they would also have like a like a merch table, and like they would have like old out-of-print VHS tapes and yada yada. And apparently they had a copy of like a bootleg of Blair Witch. Cool. And my buddy picked it up, and then so it was just like this, it was just a blank VHS tape with like a piece of tape on it that just said it was amazing. And then we put it in, and I I had no idea what it was, never heard of it.

Michelle 42:05

I just know God, that's an incredible way to watch that movie.

Greg 42:09

He just picked up this like VHS tape, this blank VHS tape at this thing, and now I'm just like, wait, what the fuck is happening in this movie? Like I had no idea, I knew nothing about it.

Michelle 42:20

Oh, that's an incredible way to see that movie.

Bobby 42:22

Present day there are marketing firms that are getting paid millions of dollars to try to recreate that experience that we've just had afterwards. Trying to make these things feel genuine like that. Um, but yeah, when you would find something like that, it was always so incredible. Yeah, yeah. So they uh they make it through the night. Oh and at dawn, first light, they're like, let's get out of here. So finally, you know, this is the moment where Jim's like, that was scary. Yeah, we should, we should go. Yeah, and so they're on the way out. Uh, I also love Jim found a little a little evidence. He found he found a little hair, and uh Kelly's like, let's go, and Jim's like, I'm gonna get it. I'm I'm work for forensic files. So he like takes out a rubber glove and his his little evidence bag, and uh and his baggy that he had like trail mix in or something. That's right. And he he wraps it up and uh and yeah, they're hiking out, and then Kelly realizes after a lot of wandering that they come across that same tree three hours later.

Michelle 43:19

Yeah, she says so they're lost in the woods.

Bobby 43:22

That's a big ass circle that they just wandered around, and yeah, they're lost in the woods and they continue to get more lost and they hear some noises. The vocalization comes back, the knock. Are you serious?

Greg 43:35

That was a Bigfoot vocalization. Then there's like rocks and stuff getting thrown at them again. Oh we don't see anything as this is all happening. They make their way back to the river though, which is smart because this whole time I was like, go to the fucking little creek.

Michelle 43:49

Yeah, just start following the follow the creek somewhere.

Greg 43:53

Um, and then like they eventually found their way back and they started making their way, and that this is the only time we two we see. See anything related to a Sasquatch, which is just a giant like foot imprint, almost like the original footage that they're out there trying to recreate and see.

Bobby 44:09

Yeah, we were thinking we were like, is Jim gonna bust out some plaster? Yeah, when you imagine if he sees those footprints. I feel like he might have, because immediately after that, like it starts to go down.

Greg 44:20

Yeah. So yeah, we we kind of like get that impression that it's like, oh, okay, we understand what's happening now. And maybe it isn't the crazy hillbillies, it's not just wild animals out there, like there is something bigger happening. And then like it starts to like sink in for him and then him trying to show her what's what this is, like before she can even get to see it. That's when like all the noises start happening and like all of the the quote unquote attack starts.

Bobby 44:48

They get chased. They the the creature is there, they're seeing it, we're not seeing it, but they're getting chased and they're running and they're running through the forest, and they run and and scatter and hide in the forest until dark, and then that's when Lady Gigi Allen shows up.

Greg 45:06

Well, there's like the like incredibly loud uh like just screaming from whatever this beast is.

Bobby 45:12

Yeah, it's really going off. Like it's very apparent that like the beast is there, it's on them, yeah, it's happening. Uh we see we see and hear Jim getting like messed up, yeah, and getting dragged off too.

Greg 45:23

And I think it still has camera in hand and getting dragged off.

Bobby 45:25

And it's in the middle of that, or either at the beginning or or middle of that, that like we see the woman in the in the woods for the for the listener at home. It's a naked lady. She has granny panties on.

Greg 45:37

Yeah. Yeah, she is an older woman. I think she's an elderly lady that's just naked, covered in like dirt and what could be blood or something.

Bobby 45:43

Do you guys not know who she is?

Michelle 45:45

What? Are you gonna tell me? Is it Patty Patterson?

Bobby 45:48

It's the missing woman from the flyer in the burger joint. She has been taken by Bigfoot and is becoming part of his harem.

Greg 45:59

Turned into his concubine.

Bobby 46:01

And number two is Kelly, and that's kind of how the film ends. We hear Kelly screaming. Jim is broken, his head's ripped off, probably. We don't see that, but we see his camera getting dragged and him gurgling and and very pretty very obviously being killed, and then we hear Kelly screaming, and she's now another missing woman.

Michelle 46:21

I'm never watching a movie without you again. I think so. I didn't catch any of that. You're so right. Yeah, I didn't either. Yeah, god damn it. Um there was uh before I forget because my mind is jello. There was a part during that whole scene, the beginning part. So like they're at the creek, he sees the footsteps, he's gonna make a cast or whatever he's gonna do, and Kelly's kind of like gathering water from the stream or something because she's trying to survive. And she's walking over, and that again, she doesn't make it back to the footprints before everything pops off, and we start running. And as soon as we start running, there's a real artistic vibe that happens with the footage in there where like there's like this filter, um, and it looks a lot like the original Patterson Gimlin film, as if it was shot on uh whatever they shot it on.

Bobby 47:14

Uh like a 16 millimeter film of Seneca 100. Thank you.

Michelle 47:21

That's exactly what I meant when I said that. Um, and so it's like very yellow and it's very um it's got like uh imperfection, like dots and shit in it all of a sudden, but only for like a short period of time. And I was like, that was an artistic choice right there, but I didn't hate it because it does feel a lot like the original footage, which is like how we got to this place anyway. Like we came here chasing the original footage.

Bobby 47:48

It wouldn't surprise me as a filmmaker, it wouldn't surprise me if that was the actual spot at Bluff Creek. I totally shot that shot.

Michelle 47:55

And also wouldn't surprise me if he did shoot that scene on film and had it processed and put that in with the digital rest of it being digital film or whatever you would call digital film, digital files, whatever. Um I also should know the difference.

Bobby 48:10

I also did like that uh the movie opens with like a shot of like like this grass, and you don't have any any context. Um, and then we find that that's one of the last shots of of Jim getting messed up when he falls and drops the camera, and then we see that drag. But I always love kind of a first shot, last shot. Yeah, bringing that around. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Michelle 48:31

When you see it again, you're like, oh shit, I did see that in the beginning. Um the drag scene for me, fucking incredible. It probably cost nothing to make, and it was so effective. It really was, yeah. Yeah, it was really like basically it it the camera has dropped into the grass, uh, presumably in Jim's hand. Somehow he's still clutching onto it, even though he's probably dead.

Bobby 48:53

He's gonna make that film.

Michelle 48:54

Yeah, he's really committed to the classic. Yeah, he's a real Roger Patterson, exactly. Um, and there's parts part of what I think makes it believable is like we get dragged a little bit, but then we get pulled really hard and really fast for a while. We get fucked up. There's some good sounds too, some like gurgling and like yeah.

Greg 49:13

The audio sound design for all of this was like pretty incredible because it relied so heavily on it. Yeah, just because you're out in the woods and like there's a all the sounds that you can think of out there, but yeah, especially during the attack scene, like there was it, it it sold it so good just because again, leaving everything to your imagination, you're not seeing anything, like and if it is just like getting dragged out, like there's still a story being told. Like you're you're hearing the dragging, so it's or you're seeing the dragging, I should say, and then you need that sound to kind of fill in what's happening. And it's it's done great, and it doesn't like it doesn't force anything on you, it's like it's allowing you to actually just like witness it, like you're just you're just there listening, yeah, and you can kind of figure out in your head what's happening.

Michelle 50:00

Yeah, my mind already makes it so that like I can see like his hand with the camera and his body being pulled, but in the footage you can't see that at all, you know. But he's getting pulled so fast. So fast, but then bigfoot so fast, so fast, but then we stop, but then we start again, and then we go a little further. And it's like kind of when you think it's over, and maybe like Jim might put out a little groan, then we get dragged again a little bit. It's like it really keeps you going for long enough that it's like too long. Um, I feel like there's no hope or dead for sure.

Bobby 50:30

For me, I I thought he was dead, and then he got like dragged again. It was like, no, he's still alive. It reminded me kind of of the the revenant when Leonardo DiCaprio gets attacked by the grizzly bear. And he's like, he's so messed up, and he's there, and he's just obviously so messed up, and then the bear comes back and gets him again. Yeah, totally, yeah.

Michelle 50:48

That's what it felt real. Yeah, yeah. Man, the revenant, dude. That movie.

Bobby 50:52

Yeah, just imagine Hugh Glass had a camera like Jim did.

Greg 50:59

Even if Bobcat wanted to keep that scene going, like I would have like lived in that for a little bit longer, too. Yeah, like yeah, the same way like the the tent scene, which is kind of like the crux of the whole film of just like building all the tension in the story there. Um, if it was just a little bit longer, it could have been a couple minutes longer of just like, is it over? Is it and then it's fucking not? And like and it just kind of like kept selling it that way, and then cuts like you know, I don't know.

Michelle 51:27

I can't recover. Gigi Allen is the missing lady. Fuck. I can't believe I didn't put that together. Yeah, I was just like, is that lady the line?

Bobby 51:35

I felt like they could have hit it harder.

Michelle 51:38

No, don't, don't let smart smarties like you figure it out, but dumb dummies like me not, you know what I mean?

Bobby 51:44

But it makes the film better.

Greg 51:45

See, I didn't I didn't even put that together either. Like I was just assuming because there again, there is uh the lore of like Bigfoot cults and stuff like that, and like there are like the helpers of Bigfoot and shit. You mean the true stories of Bigfoot cults? Yeah, but it's the yeah, uh but yeah, no, so like I just uh immediately went there and I was just like, oh, he did like a deep dive into like like what I love that Greg's like, oh Bigfoot cult, sure, sure.

Bobby 52:11

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Michelle 52:13

Yeah, got it. I mean, good on you, Bobcat, because you got all the way to the the cults, good on you.

Greg 52:19

Well, at least he didn't be like, oh, well, here's the frog. Yeah, that's bigfoot.

Michelle 52:24

Yeah, that's when you go too far. There's always a line, man. There's always a line. Bigfoot cult, I'm in. Bigfoot's now inside a frog, I'm out. You're crazy.

Bobby 52:32

Like I said, there was a a good this was a good exercise and restraint as far as filmmaking went. Yeah, it was. I felt like that was the show. Showing that restraint made it is what made it good.

Greg 52:42

Yeah, yeah. And it was like, I think, part of the process too. Like again, just making a movie that was kind of dependent on all of that, and just like going into it, not needing like all the big crazy effects, and just it's just here's a a very specific sort of story. And to be fair, too, there's not too many like serious Bigfoot movies.

Bobby 53:03

Yeah, for sure.

Greg 53:04

Like they're there, they're always like silly or funny, or like Bigfoot's like a silly character or something, or it's like way over the top, or something like this for it being Bigfoot themed, was like fantastic. But it was like a serious like horror flick, it was cool, yeah.

Michelle 53:19

But it wasn't even I mean, sure, it falls into the genre of horror films, but it wasn't like a monster movie, you know. It was um more of a thriller, if you will.

Greg 53:29

Yeah, I couldn't I I couldn't really put it in like the the creature feature, yeah. It's not like a Black Lagoon or like a mummy or something like that.

Michelle 53:36

But it's it's a Bigfoot movie, yeah. But Bigfoot's not as I loved it. Uh I love it even more now that we talked about it.

Bobby 53:47

Yeah, if you haven't seen it and you don't feel like we completely spoiled everything. Well you still have any inclination to watch it, you should. It's worth it. You should, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Michelle 53:55

Worth a watch.

Bobby 53:56

It's also yeah, it's a breezy runtime. Yeah, check it out.

Greg 53:59

Like I said, I think it's like it's still I think it's considered a short if it's under 90. So I think it's like 80 minutes or something.

Michelle 54:05

Yeah.

Greg 54:06

Yeah, no, it's good.

Michelle 54:07

Team Kelly.

Greg 54:08

Yeah, Team Kelly all the way. I forget the I'm I know I remember I made a note of the the dude singing the song, and I was like, I was like team him at the beginning. Team Team Blues Traveler. Yeah, yeah. I wrote his name down.

Michelle 54:22

I put my notes away, but uh they did do like a punk rock version of that song. Oh yeah, yeah, that was awesome. That was awesome. I love that song. I love I love bug big I love Bobcat and I love Bigfoot. So two thumbs up from me.

Bobby 54:38

Yeah.

Michelle 54:39

If we're doing it in thumb.

Bobby 54:40

Two uh opposable North American wood ape thumbs up from me. Okay, yeah. I'll give it one uh shaker bra.

Greg 54:49

Okay, all right, that's one thumb, one pinky from me.

Michelle 54:52

Yeah, there's two fingers involved in that. And oh wow.

Bobby 54:57

With that note, uh yeah, thanks for thanks for coming out.

Michelle 55:00

Yeah, M files. Yeah, we'll see you next time.

Greg 55:02

Do we have uh any ideas of what we're gonna do for another one? Uh what are we watching next? Do we know?

Michelle 55:07

We'll figure it out. We don't know, but when we do, we'll tell you.

Bobby 55:10

Yeah, I mean, every week I'm gonna suggest conspiracy theory with Mel Gibson until we do watch it. So just know that. We're never gonna watch it. Yeah, it's our job.

Michelle 55:20

It is our job. It's our job. Thank you, everyone, for allowing this to be our job. Yeah, yeah.

Greg 55:25

Appreciate that. Thanks for hanging out with us and listening to us ramble and bullshit. It's awesome. All right, thanks guys. Bye. Bye.